if there was 0.14g of dirt on plates, you'd wash them again...
what is it with this society?
how much has group think got em all?
do you wash your dishes ? or maybe you just wipe them?....and if there was 0.14g of 'dirt' on them you'd wash them again, right.
then how is it that statistically everyone in this society has 0.14g of crap on the wrong side of their 'A' ?
i shit you not, that is the stat...god knows how they arrived at it....
but we can imagine that it might just be true of a mass group think that thinks it is OK to just wipe sans wash!
i don't want to sound retentive over this,,,but this is a dam bad look...
other countries, other societies wash their 'A' post crap !
when kevin rudd goes to copenhagen, he sits there, head of the dirty bums,,,or do you reckon kev washes?
maybe it is just those descended from poms and micks?
now you might think that 0.14g is not a hell of a lot to worry about, but the human nose is very highly tuned to precisely this generic odour,,,it doesn't take much to compromise body odour.
now i speculate; but is this crazy group think behind the fact that most people in this society go to great lengths to hide their smell. Whole families grow old and die never even knowing their 'family smell' because parents have taught the kids to 'only wipe ', then shower daily, and use chemicals.
so what do you reckon happens when a thousand of these 'zero point one four'ers' hit the public pool.
over a kilo of merde.
"tantum pro silva"
To be completely honest with you this is not something I have ever thought about.
In regards to alot(?) of cultures washing after rather than wiping, this is probably due more to not having toilet paper but water and a clothe or sponge in the case of the Romans.
From what I have read this subject is the reason why at least two cultures that I know of only eat with one hand cos the other is used to wipe with just their fingers.
Being brought up to wipe and have an end of day shower I dont smell, dont need to use deoderant and seldom use 'space invaders' (perfume).
Two generations ago 70-80 year olds washed once a week. Nobody thought anything of it.
This was more likely due to being on tank/rain water and with large families the norm, to do otherwise would mean running out of water.
With town water supply we can now wash as often as we like and are more than likely damaging our immune systms by doing so.
Tell me which other lifeform on this planet smears themselves with cleansers to stay healthy?
Cows never wash,bird use dust baths etc..
There is something strange about people, we arent like other things in alot of ways.
I used to wonder about that when I was little.
Have you noticed that even our eyes are different with the whites showing compeared to other predators.
Toilet Training -001 (lessons for mainstream)
Originally Posted by mischief
i appreciate your honesty; and now must ask you;
what do you mean you haven't thought about it !?,,,why? how come? is there a pattern of this?,,,do you suppose that everyone else does not think about it either ?,,,hence the stat.
what is toilet paper?,,,is it that stuff that a profit orientated manufacturer calls the thing...
does this 'toilet paper' come in types?
is their a 'drying paper' for use after a wash and this is differentiated on the pack.?
or is there one generic multi-purpose which suits both camps. ......
Let me shine my light on this;
toilet paper is a sad joke foisted upon an unthinking population programmed to absurdity.
it must be toilet paper, because it is written on the pack....( right )
there are not types, there is a generic which caters to the 'wipe only crazies' which is the mainstream.
the thing that blows the cover of the' zeropointonefourgee'ers' is their product of choice can not be used by " we the clean ".
'we reject it as a totally bogus bit of consumer programming that stupid people with dirty bums are into.
" we the clean " know it as a product that doesn't 'meet our ends' ( i'm, wasted here: ) it breaks and fails.
just because it has toilet paper written on the pack,,,doesn't mean it is....it lies.
Real toilet paper is more like 'paper towel'...we call it 'long towel'...it doubles as a flannel, cloth etc. It can take being wet, it can be used to aid washing....
but this is all grade 1 stuff,,,
in grade 2 you learn the entire paper towel path is just more consumeristic head fuck.
in grade 3 you learn simple adaptations to what society provides for profit, and what people need if they don't want to be part of a sub-population of primitives.
jeezies ! this is not rocket science.
i don't take showers. I very seldom bath. I use no deodorants....but i would never, not wash my arse post crap because that is dirty (man).
i use a bucket of water and a flannel to wash my arse post crap; i use that water to wash my arse flannel; then i use that water for the flush.
i use the same bucket and the same flannel for my body wash - i use soap - (soap is free, i make it from fat, fat is free)
i do not use any chemicals like shampoo, conditioner, gels, and soaps made for profit.
i know my smell, and my wives, and my dughters....and they know mine,,,,i know our family smell and they do to. our smell is ours, it is very special.
how is it that all you 'zeropointonefourgee'ers' don't know your own smell and that of your kids. How can it possibly be that you would do this to yourself and your family...
how can you choose ' dirty, wasteful, consumptive and unhealthy' over 'clean common sense and knowing your smell and that of your family as a lovely thing,,,
not some shame; Aramis, Faberge, Kelvin Clien, Ninno Cerrutti,,,,,you smell like sheep,,baa.
or spray fresh, mum, rexona, couger. linx,,,you smell like sheep from kmart,,,baaa.
wake up and smell the zero point one four gee !!!! for christsakes.
it is group think,,,it is beneath reason,,,it is not a good look
everyone deserves a second chance....maybe this is yours?
"tantum pro silva"
Toilet Training - 002 (lessons for mainstream)
In anticipation of the absurd...
'where do we get the water to wash our arses kimbo?'
"it gushes down between your legs when you press the button,,,use your hand,,,,be quick,,,splash some of that water,,,rub,,,splash more,,,rub,,,splash rub."
' but then our arse is wet, and if we use "toilet paper" to dry it, the paper falls apart and gets stuck on. '
" this is true grass hopper,,, let your undies do the drying,,, toilet paper is but profit for the evil, a mass ignorance for the dirty mainstream and a trap for the clean.
' how can i stop my arse turning blue, kimbo '
" by realising that 'blue' or any other 'un natural' colourisation of flushing water is more of that brain numbing group think that mainstream does "
''is there any thing else you feel you should tell us?'
" to see for yourself, look for yourself...............and redesign your ablutions, so you can wash effectively post crap and so you are not using 'first use' water in the flush....using first use water to push merde down pipes transcends stupidity and edges towards bad and selfish."
Get a 'mandis' (big drum, no top) and retro fit your shithouse into something that looks like intelligent design. Where you can put 'used' water into the mandis, and take it out with a 'dipper' or your bucket and use it to ' escape into tenable '.
"tantum pro silva"
Toilet Training - 03 (lessons for mainstream)
Re thinking the paradigm ' taking a shit '
language is important...we can use it for clues to group-think,,,,such that we can re think, reassess, reappraise and redirect where necessary.
'taking a shit' ?
that is what mainstream does, they 'take' a shit.
(what you do now is tear the notion apart, rework it, imagine, run with it, do 'what if' thinking, reach , escape....) about bloody time.
i don't know what you came up with; this is what i came up with and implemented and tested and perpetuated.
i have a conventional sit down toilet, in an outside bathroom. There is no toilet cistern ( redundant) as 'used' water is carried from where it was used to the mandis ( inside bathroom ), where it is stored for arse washing and toilet flushing....by the bucket.
the toilet is plumbed to a septic system, authorised and signed off,,,the septic system has been re thunk, and adapted such that it is the garden irrigation fertilisation system....all the water gets used at least one more time,,,possibly many more times.
about half of of the irrigation water stays in the system circulating around hydroponics.
i don't take a shit, no one in my family does; ' we give a shit '.
this is a paradigm shift.
we give, they take....everything about a mainstream crap is a 'take'. Taking the resources to build stupid non functioning bathrooms; stealing first use water to push shit down pipes; more resources to keep them dirty and disguise the truth, more resources to poison good water and colour it for the bathroom aesthetic.
it is a take....
and it is such a planet screwing headfuck.......taking/giving a shit has to be sustainable.....and the way the mainstream do it, it isn't.
"tantum pro silva"
Toilet Training - 004 ' the bitter end '
how is it that a man in a cave brings down the WTO.....?
how is it that a man in a shed, who does not shower, who does not wash his hair, or use deodorants, gets to lecture us on hygiene and looking and smelling good ?
' you tell me ! i don't write your script.
' i don't make the stats '
' i don't steer the madness of it all '
' i am just one hippy asking why?......All i need now is some self appointed spokesman for the mainstream ( a politician? ) to put me straight, show me what i'm not seeing,,,
justify that zero point one four grams of merde .
because untill you can explain the state of your 'A', you can not be trusted to explain the bigger things like the environment, climate change, economics etc.
if you missed the shit on your own arse,,,,what are the chances that you are missing ' the shit ' elsewhere?
i would like any 'leaders' current and prospective to be transparent on this score; what is their personal status.
and inclined to conspiracy theories; i speculate that colgate palmolive and unilever collude to promote the groupthink of a wipe only doctrine....
it is either blame those with something to gain, a motive.,,,or accept the ignorance proposition,,,that the societies that do this, are so groupfuckedinthehead that they ' never actually thought about it '....
shades of Douglas Adams
"tantum pro silva"
Yes you are wasted, I'm not sure where you fit in yet tho>>>LOLpreferably downwind.Sorry I couldnt resist.
There is a diference between smell and reek.
That includes reeking of space invaders (perfume which I very seldom use)
It may come as some surprise to you but most people dont think about this.
Its called rightly or wrongly a habit....something you just do.
Funny thing about habits, you just do them until someone comes along with a novel idea and presents it.
Depending on how it is presented depends on how well it is recieved and acted upon.
To be honest your response to my post .....see my fur bristle, back arch, claws out and fangs bared poised to strike something as long sharp and pointed as your post.
Iknow I am 10 steps or more behind everybody else.
I am still working out a systematic approach to improving/changing the way I do things and am quite prepared to listen and learn from others.
I am too old to take shit from anybody anymore, so stop already, caring and sharing work on me, put downs dont.
Pattern to this?
Of course there is pattern to this.....
do what you always do, abit like Newtons law of physics.You move along unchanged unless acted upon by an equal opposing force(insert idea/concept)
My first rule on everything is... never assume anything.
You have made alot of assumtions I which I find offensive and not conducive to reducating the overwiped masses.
Nobody measured my arse.
I do not have any noticeble odour of shit and resent your insinuations to the contrary.
I do not use the same clothe to wipe my body that I use to wipe my arse.Are you sure you are not smearing poo all over yourself?
What about the state of your finger nails,can you be sure there is no faecal matter under them?
I AM in grade one and make no apology for that, I gotta start somewhere and make no apology for the fact that my first steps do not measure up to your requirements.
You want to educate the overwiped unwashed masses then go ahead.I do best with the carrot rather than the stick
So for the record.
I dont use deodorant,I very seldom use perfume and if I'm honest I would have to say when I do its because I am going out somewhere where I do not feel secure/feel nervous.That has a specific smell too apparently, so this habit is perhaps a survival instinct in operation here.
I do not wash my hair everyday, usually once a week.
I dont use soap or detergents on my face.
I shower at the end of the day, with soap on a scrubby thing my daughter gave me.At the end of this growing season, all going well that will be exchanged for a luffa grown by me.Its purpose is to remove dead skin.
I cant make my own soap at the moment I do have fat in the freezer from the pig I bought off a friend so eventhat fat is paid for.
everything has a price in some way shape or form and not neccessarily monetary either.
There are times when I dont shower every day, usually on days I havent gone to work, havent built up a sweat and dont need one.I'm not dirty that day.
I do know my own smell, that of my children and my partner.
To be honest I dont care to know other peoples, our society is not geared up to use this in a interpersonal way as with other lifeforms thatdo use smell as an important social tool, we have lost the ability to understand the different smells people have and what they mean so outsiders smells are no longer relevent again rightly or wrong thats just the way it is.
If I run out of toilet paper and really gotta go, I will do the old fashioned thing and grab a sheet of news paper tear it into squares, scrnuch it up and go wipe merrily away.Yes I probably get a black arse but that is ink not dirt/bacteria its a clean black arse not a dirty one and it gets washed off at the end of the day.
Smelling of ones own pheromones is one thing, and I agree that it is completely okay to smell of your own pheremones pleasantly so.Ssmelling of bacteria chewing away on body waste including skin secretions is a completely different matter all together. I am not at this point suggesting that this is the case with you at all so dont get angry.But you have to be honest when someone normally doesnt wash they are not nice to be around.
If you have found and environmentally friendly way inwhich to keep clean and healthy, without smelling noxious then you are to be congratulated.
We live longer not because we have chemicals to dose ourselves with but because we have better hygiene, such as it is.
We have less contagious diseases because we have better hygiene, such as it is.
Compare to the middle ages when they refused to wash simply because that was what the Romans did and they refused all that was Roman
of course I am assuming that also included failing to wash their arse.They did not live long.Fact.
I think I read you have a white beard/ hair if so then perhaps you have lived long.
I dont take shit either but then I also go out of my way to make sure I dont give it either.Now compost is something else entirely.
Yes my reasonably newly installed bathroom is not sustainable.No apology. repalcing it right now is not something I can do and yes I have it down on my list to find an alternative.(In GRADE ONE remember)
You get to lecture us because of our own curiousity as to your viewpoint and for no other reason and unfortunately the only people I have smelt who do not wash did not smell healthy, so I have a conflict of smells going on right now.
Your right you dont write my script, only your own and lead by example.I am not in a position to smell your example so I dont know.
I dont miss the shit on my own arse, someone is assuming and probably being paid large sums to makes such unfounded unproveable obnoxious comments about people they ahve never met.Wake up sheep, do you believe everything you read?
hey mischief, i was not dogging you, sorry....i was launching off your post...but not intending to cast dispersions, really, i'm sorry.
Originally Posted by mischief
when i post i don't lecture registered users, i don't lecture posters....i lecture the uninitiated...guests.
when i lecture, all i'm doing is posting,,,the lecture comes in the reading of and the interpretation.
I broadcast an opinion, i push it to invite the rebuke,,,but not from players such as your good self, a peer.
We have people register as users just so they can argue with an obnoxious prick like me. I generate content which often polarises debate...
i post most of my shit in 'chat ',,,where it can not disrupt anyone who does not want ' to chat'.
mischief, i am an obnoxious prick, i am sorry, i am aware, i can not help it...
so hopefully, i can continue my 'lectures' in chat,,,many would like me to piss off so you are in good company,,,,but some get a kick out of what i do, and sometimes i enjoy it.
made you post...(chortle)
"tantum pro silva"
Apropos of nothing really - in Bahasa (Indonesian) it is "membuang air besar" - which literally translated means to throw away big water....
I don't take a shit, I do a poo.
Apparently 95% of the stuff under your finger nails is - yes you guessed! Maybe not Kimbo. Who knows - we'd need to test him.
But despite this no one really dies from shit. It is partially digested food mixed with the bacteria that we used to help us digest it. So why are we so paranoid about it? We ate that food. Some even pay to drink yoghurt mixes or swallow pill that contain more bacteria.
I am Astounded!
Originally Posted by kimbo.parker
Where did you read this?
Is someone 'trying it/you on'?
Who did the research? and How did they do the research?
"Excuse me Random Person, could I please look at your bare arse, scrape off what i find and then weight it?" Come on, surely science has better things to be going on with (?).
To a point Eco but one the inside stuff gets outside bacteria and smells etc proliferate.
OK we are just walking-bags-of-bacteria-filled-water but somewhere the line has to be drawn?
Urine is sterile when it leaves the body (said to be good for Tinia --for those lads with poor aim) but it quickly becomes smelly/bacteria laden and the smell is incredibly resistant (I do have a story about that - maybe another time)-- perhaps to mark our territory like other mammals?
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