the great bill mollison copyright swindle

[milifestyle]

Might be best clarifying by PM... then post the results here when done... :mrgreen:

[abdullah]

incidentally half the population of jordan are palestinians, either displaced by zionist armies, or living where they always did but the border of jordan overtook them 61 years ago.

[janahn]

I consider this conflict resolved and closed.

I will continue to work according to the instruction that Bill Mollison gives to all of his students "I encourage you all to go out and start your own Permaculture Institute"

If any party whishes to re-ignite the debate I am willing to participate. You will however need to obtain confirmation from The Permaculture Institute (Bill Mollison) that somebody has the right to stop somebody else from using the word "Permaculture". There lies the core of this dispute of which I believe I am correct and been unfairly treated.

Co-incidently when this conflict started I was of the opinion that is was known and accepted by the Mollisons that they could not stop anyone from using the word.

Best of luck to you all. May you all continue with your good work.
Leo
PS

So until somebody confirms the above, I will take the advice of Lisa, and avoid all people associated with those concerned. I will invest my "settlement" in ventures I consider appropriate. I believe there will be no need for any further correspondence.

[pebble]

Leo, that is the clearest post I have seen from you on this.

Are you saying that someone has tried to stop you using the word 'Permaculture' when promoting your business?

If that is true, and you had said that at the start, this might have been a very different conversation.

[newcroft]

I consider this conflict resolved and closed.

Why? You've still got a lot of explaining to do. What was the conflict? How was it resolved? And, how about you answer the questions I put to you way back on the first page.

If any party whishes to re-ignite the debate I am willing to participate. You will however need to obtain confirmation from The Permaculture Institute (Bill Mollison) that somebody has the right to stop somebody else from using the word "Permaculture". There lies the core of this dispute of which I believe I am correct and been unfairly treated.

So, I can only read into this that you believed that PRI or Bill Mollison was stopping you using the word 'Permaculture'. Is this correct? On what basis did you believe that they were stopping you using the word?
(Again I'm only reading into this because your posts have been so incomplete) It wouldn't be that you run a permaculture business without ever having done a PDC would it? Please, say it ain't so.

So until somebody confirms the above, I will take the advice of Lisa, and avoid all people associated with those concerned.

So is this Lisa Mollison? ie THE Lisa Mollison you referred to earlier in the posts (and no I won't repeat what you said)? Why are you now taking advice from her? What people will you avoid? Why would you avoid them?

I will invest my "settlement" in ventures I consider appropriate. I believe there will be no need for any further correspondence.

So you stated that you will give away $5,000. But are you going to give details? Or are we meant just to 'trust you'?
(edited for spelling error)

[Michaelangelica]

despite one director of the permaculture institute being aware that they had lost the common right to claim copyright to the word PERMACULTURE, may I pronounce today, upon this forum, that all prior claims, regarding ownership of the word PERMACULTURE, especially during the last 10 or maybe more years in particular, may be ignored.

permaculture has been set free, all previous claims made on tagari.com regarding who may use the word PC, should be ignored.

Leo

janahn
The title of this thread is libelous.
Please refrain from public, personal attacks on named individuals.

[pebble]

I've now edited a couple of my posts to remove quotes of Leo that were potentially libellous. I would suggest others do the same. Including you Leo, there is still one of your posts (on page two) that should be removed. You should also change the title of the thread in the first post and all subsequent posts. I think others who have repeated the title should do the same.

Ma, one concern I have is that the moderators here don't seem to realise that it's not just the person who posts that can be sued, it's the whole site. Forums are a form of publishing, so technically this forum allowing those posts to remain (and probably the title) is akin to having published in a newspaper. No newspaper would ever publish this, or they would be getting very clear legal advice. Once these posts get taken up by google's cache it will be difficult to remove them from the internet.

I'm not sure what legal liability the moderators themselves have. Given they have the ability to remove this thread and haven't it may be that there is a responsibility in allowing or enabling the libel. I don't know the legals on this, but personally I wouldn't be taking the risk.

[paradisi]

well what i want to know, and i will repeat this item in infinitum, until she explains herself, why she thinks she has the right to stop others from using the word PC>

http://www.janahn.com.au

and what gives you the right to chase them to the ACCC??

permaculture is in the macquarie dictionary so therefore is a free to use word

if you want to describe what you do as permaculture and you dont follow the ethos you are a cheat and a liar

if you want to proclaim yourself permaculture something or other and havent been acredited again cheat and liar

whats your agenda janahn?? your inital post was very strange in not includign the reasons behind your agenda

[Michaelangelica]

I think we have had enough of this Free Speech.

[milifestyle]

I'm not a lawyer, by any means. Never been interested in that path.

Although there has been some explanation given i still don't fully understand what the issue is. I can only guess.

I can say, that when i visited the Permaculture Design Institute website, my brain didn't click fast enough and i assumed it was somehow connected to the Permaculture Research Institute. It is only in this past week that i realised there was no connection.

That is what i am guessing the problem is. Either way, there is NO excuse for making public accusations about about any individual or business.