Permaculture is a sub-culture of Horticulture

[Dalzieldrin]

One of the moderators of this forum has asked this question:

" Someone please correct me if i am wrong but is Permaculture not a sub-culture of Horticulture? "

I think this is incorrect, ie. permaculture is a broad philosophy that encompasses things like horticulture, but not the other way around.

so...which is it?

Now, for the purposes of the poll i've constructed the options directly from the quote - ie. I've stuck with the use of "sub-culture". Perhaps you don't like the term and think that another term would be more apt - this may then impinge on your vote because you're voting yes or no not on the issue itself but on a literal interpretation of 'sub-culture'. Could I ask you to insert your own term and then address the question that way, ie. is Perm. a sub-[insert your term] of Hort. or is it the other way around?


Have fun

[thepoolroom]

I don't get it - it seems patently obvious that permaculture is not a sub-culture of horticulture. Why the need for a poll?

Permaculture deals with animals, plants, water, energy, humans, economics, ethics, and lots more. Horticulture deals with growing plants.

It's like asking if "health and wellbeing" is a sub-culture of dentistry.

[9anda1f]

Given the definition of horticulture on wikipedia, I can't even say horticulture is a sub-culture completely within Permaculture, although some aspects of it are elements of Permaculture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horticulture

Horticulture is the industry and science of plant cultivation. Horticulturists work and conduct research in the disciplines of plant propagation and cultivation, crop production, plant breeding and genetic engineering, plant biochemistry, and plant physiology.

I'm pretty sure genetic engineering falls outside the ideals of Permaculture. I'm also fairly certain that the general term "horticulture" includes the applications of "chemicals" to accomplish the stated industrial goals.

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[Dalzieldrin]

I don't get it - it seems patently obvious that permaculture is not a sub-culture of horticulture. Why the need for a poll?

Permaculture deals with animals, plants, water, energy, humans, economics, ethics, and lots more. Horticulture deals with growing plants.

It's like asking if "health and wellbeing" is a sub-culture of dentistry.

indeed indeed indeed

it seems patently obvious to me, too. but it's always prudent to consider the possibility that one might be mistaken.

recall that the request was "please correct me if I'm wrong" - a poll might seem a grandiose way of setting the record straight, but at least the forum will have the record straight for future reference


would anyone like to offer an opposing view? an argument in favour of why Permaculture is a sub-group of Horticulture?

[milifestyle]

"...If you want a change, to get your hands dirty and try something new; gain a solid training in Permaculture Design and practices! This course was recently revised to provide even more extensive and solid training for those who want to work in horticulture, especially in the design and care of productive natural garden systems. Graduates may find employment in general horticulture, permaculture design, or natural gardening (eg. in garden/system design, nurseries, teaching, consulting, etc). An excellent starting point for an exciting career in permaculture or sustainable gardening, and the skills you will learn will be valuable for any area of Horticulture too..."

http://www.acs.edu.au/courses/Certifica ... e-144.aspx

http://www.mysunshinecoast.com.au/event ... 0099,56692

http://www.acsedu.co.uk/Courses/Permacu ... 2-195.aspx

http://www.warnborough.ac.uk/index.php? ... urseID=106

http://www.thecareersguide.com/product.aspx?id=195

[Dalzieldrin]

"...If you want a change, to get your hands dirty and try something new; gain a solid training in Permaculture Design and practices! This course was recently revised to provide even more extensive and solid training for those who want to work in horticulture, especially in the design and care of productive natural garden systems. Graduates may find employment in general horticulture, permaculture design, or natural gardening (eg. in garden/system design, nurseries, teaching, consulting, etc). An excellent starting point for an exciting career in permaculture or sustainable gardening, and the skills you will learn will be valuable for any area of Horticulture too..."

http://www.acs.edu.au/courses/Certifica ... e-144.aspx

http://www.mysunshinecoast.com.au/event ... 0099,56692

http://www.acsedu.co.uk/Courses/Permacu ... 2-195.aspx

http://www.warnborough.ac.uk/index.php? ... urseID=106

http://www.thecareersguide.com/product.aspx?id=195

thankyou for the contribution, i'm sure the courses on offer would be very edifying.

However, I don't see how this suffices as an answer, one way or the other, to the question at hand - would you care to elaborate?

[Dalzieldrin]

So far, one respondant has voted in the affirmative - ie. they think that Permaculture is a sub-group of Horticulture.

It would be instructive if we could hear the views of that voter - I invite you to present us with your argument for it being one way and not the other.



23 views and only 5 votes? Oh come on...I'm not going to bite you!

[milifestyle]

Its an interesting debate.

It could also be said that Permaculture has links to Both Horticulture & Agriculture.

Courses are offered in Horticulture whith an emphasis on Permaculture, Likewise similar emphasis is placed on Landscaping, Turf, Parks ad Wildlife etc, with Horticulture being the main core unit of study.

On the other hand, Permaculture is also offered as a stand alone course with no mention of Horticulture.

The debate continues...

[Dalzieldrin]

Its an interesting debate.

It could also be said that Permaculture has links to Both Horticulture & Agriculture.

Courses are offered in Horticulture whith an emphasis on Permaculture, Likewise similar emphasis is placed on Landscaping, Turf, Parks ad Wildlife etc, with Horticulture being the main core unit of study.

On the other hand, Permaculture is also offered as a stand alone course with no mention of Horticulture.

The debate continues...

tell me if I've understood you correctly - because the horticulture course you attended offered a component on permaculture this is why you believe that permaculture is a sub-culture of horticulture?

[milifestyle]

The horticulture course i attended did not have a permaculture unit of study :wink:

Horticulture has many streams from Landsape design to Nursery management.

The overall design of a "sustainable human habitat" would likely include several cultural practices from Landscape design to Nursery management. As well as Agriculture.