glyphosate use in a permaculture environment...

[bazman]

Don't need it, Don't use it and god help any simple minded council worker spraying near my place again. :twisted: One way to really piss me off, I turn green and get real mean and scary..... :axe:

[milifestyle]

Our neighbour and our property owner, which makes him our landlord (same person) is one of the nicest guys you could meet anywhere. He runs his own sheep and pigs and we always get a side of pork or side of lamb for nothing (or kill price which is around $20). We only have a small tank but he has a 20,000 gallon tank he doesn't use as he has spring water. We recently laid the water onto the house from his tank so we can use both our own water and his.

We have just today discovered that the collection point is our neighbours shed roof which in itself is ok, unfortunately the shed is ONLY 3 FEET FROM THE FARMER WHO SPRAYS AGRICULTURAL CHEMICAL RELIGIOUSLY (Every couple of weeks Same as in my previous post).

Is there a legal obligation for the farmer to alter his spray path ? There is no way to alter the collection point and our landlord is stuck in the middle !

[Tezza]

depends on weather you value your life over the water...i think........sorry....

maybe mention to ur landlord some to check his reaction......then go from there its his worry ultimatly...

hack into his spring water line......

tell/sk landlord for propper healthy water .sure thers some regulations to standards of water in peoples houses/drinking water.....get some tests,if u really worried...


Moove somewhere else :butthead: to the landlord

Tezza

[Veggie Boy]

Tezza - the neighbour/landlord is not the one spraying. The landlord is allowing milf to use water from his tank on his property, not the one that milf rents (so not the landlords problem).

I feel for you milifestyle - terrible situation

[Tezza]

oooooooooops


how bout :axe: :butthead: to his neighbour then....



Actually the chemical maybe quite diluted by time it gets washed over to your place,as not too worry......Its princaples too...

One of my landlords used to collect rain off his asbestos roof untill they heard about the contamination...He was luckt,and us also he changed it over to spring fed water in his tank only...

This is why a lot of us in here feel the way we do about these chemicals...............its not our use we worried about so much....its the uneducated and uncaring

Tezza

[milifestyle]

I think i may contact someone in the Agricultural (better still health) department and see if there is anything to be concerned about. I think there is personally. If it was safe at the concentration level he was spraying, he wouldn't be dressed like a spaceman while applying it.

[paradisi]

get in touch with your minister for water

if the law is anything likes queenslands - a neighbour can not stop the flow of water or cause water to be fouled - and the bloke with the spray is fouling your water

[gardenlen]

g'day mls,

dunno mate you may have to do some checking before emotion??

ok you rent a house from this guy the house tank sounds part of the necessary deal, (would guess the landlord no matter how nice he is has to provide water at his rental property) now whether it be tank or otherwise (for me i'd be asking for the spring water as it may less contaminated or be less open to contamination?), so first up you would need to prove contamination of the water (could be costly?), then talk to the landlord about a safer supply.

now as agriculture is a sacred cow so far no gov' that i am aware of has ever taken affirmative action to stop any farmer contaminating anything.

this all could come under "buyer beware", so all the benefits of livng there aside at the end of the day living there is your choice or not living there is your choice. would i personnaly drink the water knowing it could be contaminated "nope", then maybe i may choose not to live there. when we looked at properties before we moved to rural we where shown one that shared a common boundry with a corn grower and yes we were told he boom sprayed often (prob' why the owners wanted to sell) we didn't buy either for those obvious reasons.

also not sure how much of any contamination might affect what the sheep and pigs eat?

also there would still be the concern of chem' fall out over your whole property gardens and all.

anyhow let us know how you go.

len

[Michaelangelica]

because laziness on my part in not stopping them and probably stupidity on my part for not stopping them and living in a house full of drunken males in their early 20's - one of the drunken males tried to prove how safe glysophate was ( he was a groundsman/greenkeeper)- - he soaked a piece of steak in zero and gave it to his jack russel.

we buried the jack russel the next day.

Subchronic and chronic tests with glyphosate have been conducted with rats, dogs, mice, and rabbits in studies lasting from 21 days to two years. With few exceptions there were no treatment-related gross (easily observable) or cellular changes (5). In a chronic feeding study with rats, no toxic effects were observed in rats given doses as high as 31 mg/kg/day, the highest dose tested.
No toxic effects were observed in a chronic feeding study with dogs fed up to 500 mg/kg/day, the highest dose tested (.
Mice fed glyphosate for 90 days exhibited reduced body weight gains. The lifetime administration of very high amounts of glyphosate produced only a slight reduction of body weight and some microscopic liver and kidney changes.
Blood chemistry, cellular components, and organ function were not affected even at the highest doses.

http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/ex ... e-ext.html

ECOLOGICAL EFFECTS
Glyphosate is only slightly toxic to wild birds. The LC50 in both mallards and bobwhite quail is greater than 4,500 ppm. The bioaccumulation factor in chicken muscle, fat, eggs, and liver was as low as 1/10,000 (4).

Glyphosate is practically non-toxic to fish. However, Roundup was more toxic to fish than was glyphosate. In rainbow trout, for instance, the 96-hour LC50 was 8.3 mg/l with Roundup and 38 ppm with glyphosate. The LC50 for glyphosate was 120 mg/l for bluegill sunfish. An additive used in the Roundup formulation (modified tallow amine used as a surfactant) is apparently more toxic to fish than many common surfactants. For this reason, the formulation for use in aquatic situations (Rodeo) omits this ingredient. The surfactant is used to allow the compound to readily dissolve in solution and to keep the compound from balling up on the leaf surface.

There is a very low potential for the compound to build up in the tissues of aquatic invertebrates or other aquatic organisms. Glyphosate is relatively non-toxic to honeybees. Its oral and dermal LD50 is greater than 0.1 mg/ bee (7).

http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/ex ... e-ext.html

http://pubsearch.arsnet.usda.gov/search ... ontend&oe=

Horseweed is an increasing problem in perennial crops and non-crop areas of the Central Valley of California. Similar to the situation in glyphosate-tolerant crops in other regions, glyphosate-based weed management strategies in perennial crops and non-crop areas have resulted in selection of a glyphosate-resistant horseweed biotype in California.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/public ... 115=228096

Glyphosate is a kind of highly effective broad spectrum herbicide with the characteristics of broad spectrum, low toxicity and no residue. It is the best selling herbicide around the world. No matter crop or weed, generally, all green plants can be ruined after we spray Glyphosate over them.

Glyphosate is mainly sold to United States of America, European Union, Argentina and other countries and areas. The consumption of Glyphosate in big agricultural countries such as China and India is small and has huge growth potential.

Glyphosate occupies more than 30% of the herbicide sales volume all around the world and has the trend of continuous increase. Recently, the market demand of Glyphosate increases rapidly, with the growth rate of approximately 15-20% each year.

http://www.researchinchina.com/Report/A ... /5290.html

Glyphosate is the world’s largest-selling agrochemical, with annual sales amounting to an estimated $5,000 million.

According to data from the Chinese agrochemical company, NAB International, there are 72 factories in China that possess glyphosate registration certificates, and around 40 large-scale manufacturers.

China’s annual production capacity is estimated at between 500,000 tonnes and 600,000 tonnes, some 80% of which is exported.
Of the major glyphosate manufacturers in China, Zhejiang Xin’an is the largest. It has a yearly production capacity of some 60,000 tonnes and an expected capacity of 80,000 tonnes by next year.Tuesday, 7 October 2008

http://www.agrow.com/news283.shtml

[milifestyle]

I think the overall opinion is that its a "relatively" safe product. The part i find eye popping is the massive amount manufactured and used throughout the world.

I have seen very little information on Bio Magnification studies of the product, particularly when mixed (deliberately or accidentally) with other pesticides or agri/industrial chemicals.

Most research also fails to take susceptability factors into consideration.