Please let us explore 'spirituality' and this means being free to question

[Pakanohida]

No please enlighten us!

Dr. MacDougall, in 1901, set out to weigh the "soul" He made a very very precise specialized bed for people with TB to lay in. He found, in short, when a human dies, they lose 21grams of weight instantly. The work took into account the persons last breath, and the waste that is expelled from the body at death. Due to the nature of the weighing bed he made, the expelled waste is not the nature of the mysterious 21grams, nor is the last breath. He was only able to do the experiment on 6 humans near death before being ejected from the TB Home he was working at.

Sadly, he replicated the experiments on dogs, and they showed no signs of weight loss at death.

[Pakanohida]

Thank you, Pak. Like I said, not "usually," for most of us, as we are not most of us trained or self-taught to do so.

You could always go here and learn.

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/

[Ludi]

Has anyone else ever been able to replicate his results? Just one set of experiments by one researcher is usually not considered sufficient, one of the basic ideas of the scientific method is that it is replicable by multiple researchers. So a one-shot deal sort of "doesn't count" as far as the discipline of science is concerned....It asks a question, a very interesting one, but does not answer it.....

Of course here I am leaping to the conclusion it was meant to be scientific, which maybe it wasn't, maybe the weight of the soul is not a scientific question and should not be held to the scientific method! :p

[Ludi]

Which makes me curious about how others feel about spiritual matters: Can and should they be examined by scientific methods? Or are they "supernatural" and thus outside the ability of the scientific method to ever discover? And how do we know if they are or they aren't?

[Michaelangelica]

Which makes me curious about how others feel about spiritual matters: Can and should they be examined by scientific methods? Or are they "supernatural" and thus outside the ability of the scientific method to ever discover? And how do we know if they are or they aren't?

I have seen some studies on prayer and healing
Have you tried searching Pub med or Medline or some of the Psychology data bases?
Someone must have looked at the power of belief; if not how many angels can fit on the head of a pin.

[Pakanohida]

I have seen some studies on prayer and healing
Have you tried searching Pub med or Medline or some of the Psychology data bases?
Someone must have looked at the power of belief; if not how many angels can fit on the head of a pin.

I believe there was a study at the Fatima site (I think it was Fatima, might of been St. Peters Square) done, and found a measurable amount of energy increased in the area where people were praying.

[NGcomm]

I believe there was a study at the Fatima site (I think it was Fatima, might of been St. Peters Square) done, and found a measurable amount of energy increased in the area where people were praying.

Cool, I'll start a prayer group and save on installing a PV system!!

[eco4560]

Wow - I go away for a few days and come back to find five pages of hot discussion!

[Ludi]

I believe there was a study at the Fatima site (I think it was Fatima, might of been St. Peters Square) done, and found a measurable amount of energy increased in the area where people were praying.

Do you remember how the energy was measured, what instruments were used?

[Pakanohida]

Do you remember how the energy was measured, what instruments were used?

I am looking into it, but it might take me a little while. The Satellite in orbit throttled my internet.