Gluten intollerance or Roundup?

[Try Reason]

Have been hearing whisperings that a lot of gut symptoms put down to gluten intollerance (not that I'm denying it exists) is actually due to the current widespread use of roundup on wheat, rye and barley crops (all of which happen to be the big gluten crops). Those who seek legumes and rice as an alternative are not only avoiding gluten but also high concentrations of glyphosates which would presumably or apparently still be in the final gluten rich product.

Any thoughts on the validity of this?

[Michaelangelica]

Have been hearing whisperings that a lot of gut symptoms put down to gluten intollerance (not that I'm denying it exists) is actually due to the current widespread use of roundup on wheat, rye and barley crops (all of which happen to be the big gluten crops). Those who seek legumes and rice as an alternative are not only avoiding gluten but also high concentrations of glyphosates which would presumably or apparently still be in the final gluten rich product.

Any thoughts on the validity of this?

i would be interested to hear more about this hypothesis too
Diagnosis of celiac disease is not easy and “Gluten sensitivity” may be a separate condition from celiac disease, yet no clear definition or diagnosis exists.

Celiac disease is certainly on the rise and some say this is not just due to better diagnosis Celiac disease estimates vary from <1>6% of the population with the higher rates being prevalent in some ethnic groups

I note Kellogg is about to enter the gluten free cereal market
There is some suggestion that wheat sensitivity could be due to the extreme genetic modification of modern seed and or extreme processing. (The smaller particle size of the wheat makes it easier to absorb (acts more like white sugar)

[Try Reason]

Yes, seems the most likely culprit is the refined product which our genetics has not entirely evolved to cope with. Aside from the more modern prevalence of how they refine wheat we do indeed have grains with far more gluten content now than over the previous thousands of years of cereal cropping. As far as I'm aware this is through selective breeding and not GM. This pretty much means more gluten products around per person than before exposing vulnerabilities that may have gone unnoticed once.

In keeping with the modern agriculture theme, what about modern fertilizer? How does this effect plant nutrients and in turn, our digestion of these plants?

The other recent thing is the use of glyphosates on crop land which is quickly turning into the new "roundup ready" cropping which will increase prevalence massively. Apparently roundup ready wheat is still in the trial phase. There is pretty much a program to "roundup ready" all broadacre crops. Even someone who wasn't concerned about the possible immediate human health consequences of this should be a little unnerved by what this prospect holds in store. Back to how it effects our food, I've not found much in the way of study but more critiques of studies by Monsanto for their vague descriptions of results on lab animals. Also a few cases of scientific fraud and subsequent assurances that everything is fine in retesting. Until I find an indepentant study that shows an alternative view to the "eat up, a little bit here and there is fine" then I wont be satisfied though. Consensus seems to be that glyphosate concentrates in bones and internal organs over time. No one knows what the long term effects of this will be. Nothing found on effects on animal digestion or guts yet.

[Michaelangelica]

Consensus seems to be that glyphosate concentrates in bones and internal organs over time. No one knows what the long term effects of this will be. Nothing found on effects on animal digestion or guts yet.

Most recently pregnant women; here are just a couple of GScholar articles on it
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...90623811000566
elevated risk of abortion:-
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1240415/

Perhaps not an unbiased source but:-
Roundup and birth defects
http://www.scribd.com/doc/57277946/2...stion-of-doses

There was an interesting interview on ABC Radio that i caught a little of this morning.(on sex, i learnt a bit too!). The guy talked about how we had evolved in the last 12,000 years to genetically cope with agriculture's more abundant supply of carbohydrates. he said many races without along agricultural history, like Aust Aboriginal, do not have (yet) the mechanisms to cope with a high carbohydrate/sugar diet.
Sorry can't find the link now ( Mornings with Margaret Throsby?) but i did find this while I was looking:-
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/...safe3f/3858030

[S.O.P]

And, any person put on a round of antibiotics loses gut flora, both good and bad.

So much so, they are going to start inoculating you with gut flora from another 'clean' source. A third world export, perhaps.

Sorry, I can't remember where I got that tidbit from, I'll keep looking for a reference.

[Terra]

Roundup ready crops aside , roundup is already used on cereal crops , widespread use just as the crop ripens to wipe out herbicide resistant ryegrass which has become a serious problem . So who knows how much we already consume it was never intended for consumption so beats me why someone decided this is ok .

[Pakanohida]

Gluten sensitivity can come from a host of other areas as well though such as Candida which IMO is why it is important to make sure people have a balanced diet that includes fermented foods.

[gardenlen]

i'm gluten and all grain resistant, whilst i don't believe round up ready crops are not going to add to current health woes of many, and many of those many not getting any help from indoctrinated medical, where you are no longer a patient but a client. there ae no tests fro intolerance or celeac, or any of those lifestyle diseases which all stem from immune system damage at gene's level. had 15 years of trying to get a handle on my health. any doc's who tried researching seem to be shut down, a couple near sydney in their early stages research pointed to chem' residues in grown food.

with grains they no longer represent the nutritional value they may have had soon after being hybridised fro the wild grain to the many times hybridised grains we have now, all hybridised to suit the farmer and the producer, a friend knows a wheat farmer up this way the farmer knows this, he tries to grow older hybrids for people who can still tolerate grains at all, big thing though the older grains smaller so system does not want them for food. so the farmers know what they grow is no good for health. and the organic rip off only guarantees a higher price.

gluten intolerance exists but not recognised in main stream medicine.

so in GMO glyphosate just another residue in a cocktail of residues.

len

[Try Reason]

I wonder if there has been an independant study outside of Monsanto to test the safety of consumption of glyphosate. There's certainly nothing on long term accumulation or exposure. Who indeed did decide it was ok to consume glyphosate? The people on the top rungs of business who love thier business models and would change everything else around it before changing the model. Grease a few political and media cogs and get it legislated or removed from public consciousness.

[Michaelangelica]

And, any person put on a round of antibiotics loses gut flora, both good and bad.

So much so, they are going to start inoculating you with gut flora from another 'clean' source. A third world export, perhaps.

Sorry, I can't remember where I got that tidbit from, I'll keep looking for a reference.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articl...19/3194662.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3269844.htm