Coming soon! The America war on Iran, followed by WW 3!

[Nickolas]

Russia and China (to name a few of many countries) are very angry at the U.S. and E.U. right now because of there large involvement in the destroying of 75-percent of Libya's infrastructure and the killing of innocent libyan civilians on mass and there ever increasing roll in "liberating" the libyan people of there countries wealth, there freedom and natural resources.
But hopefully Russia and China are not going to sit by and watch the same thing happen to Iran that happend to Libya.



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[Pakanohida]

Pardon me, but the US pulled out of Libya around April of last year and handed over the 'Peace Keeping" forces to NATO. The US may have a habit of acting like a cop for the world, but this is 1 quagmire they pulled out of.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-2259307.html


As for the Libyan people... ..well we surfers talk a lot. Do you realize that there were beaches that Libyan people were shot on sight at because it belonged to a Prince of Quadfi? They took away the ability for fishermen to fish, farmers to farm. No one can sanely blame any one country, or any one person for what is going on over there when things have been bad in that country for over 30 years.

[TheDirtSurgeon]

As for the Libyan people... ..well we surfers talk a lot. Do you realize that there were beaches that Libyan people were shot on sight at because it belonged to a Prince of Quadfi? They took away the ability for fishermen to fish, farmers to farm. No one can sanely blame any one country, or any one person for what is going on over there when things have been bad in that country for over 30 years.

First, it's not our business. Our Founders warned us about getting entangled in foreign affairs.

Second, if you truly believe the Libya invasion was a humanitarian mission to remove an iron fist from an oppressed people yearning to breathe free, why aren't the great humanitarians in the Pentagon and Wall Street invading every country where that's a problem? How is it that our military humanitarianism only extends to places that have oil, or are good places to build pipelines?

And finally... I don't believe for one second that we don't still have military influence there, and neither should you.

[LonerMatt]

There's a lot of shit in this thread.

Boggles the mind what some people delude themselves into thinking.

America already waged war on Iran post-WW2, duh, and in 1979 Khomeni demolished the Shah, and ousted the USA from Iran.

There's no decent reason to go to war with Iran (in fact the only outcomes are negative), and, frankly, the USA doesn't have the money to afford another war and recover economically. At all.

[Grasshopper]

War with Iran has been going on since the Shah was ousted.(and obviously prior to that to set up the Shah)
Firstly by backing Iraq to fight them and economically through sanctions and via assassinations of scientists and through drones via Afghanistan.
2 things the US wont tolerate from a dictator, is not supporting Zionism and owning your own resources(especially oil try an sell it in any other currency but $US or threaten to restrict its supply and its good night), everything else is fine.
Just ask Saddam and Gadhafi and yet the Saudis can do what they like, because they keep the oil flowing and don't rock the boat on Israel

[TheDirtSurgeon]

I'm heartily in favor of rounding up a few hundred random Aussies, and replacing our government with them. I am deeply saddened by the fact that you all down there know more about what's going on here than most of us. Maybe it's the different perspective from looking at us upside down.

Come on over, lads!

[LonerMatt]

War with Iran has been going on since the Shah was ousted.(and obviously prior to that to set up the Shah)

Check your definition of war, because sanctions and assassinations don't count as war, neither does spying.

The US didn't support the Iraqi war on Iran, in fact the first gulf war was in direct consequence of the 1985-1991 conflict between Iran and Iraq (specifically due to Saddam's massing of chemical weapons that were deployed in Iran, he attempted to put nerve gas in the water table and was shut down by the US during that campaign, and 250,000 tonnes of chemical gas was destroyed in the first Gulf War!). Really, the lack of historical understandings are obnoxious at best here.

2 things the US wont tolerate from a dictator, is not supporting Zionism and owning your own resources(especially oil try an sell it in any other currency but $US or threaten to restrict its supply and its good night), everything else is fine.

The exceptions to this are mind blowing. Most of the South American dictators, Panama, Cuba, etc, as well as, I don't know, China (for a start) completely demolish this idea.

Just ask Saddam and Gadhafi and yet the Saudis can do what they like, because they keep the oil flowing and don't rock the boat on Israel

1. The US's role in the downfall of Ghadafi is negligible (as has been pointed out0 compared to France and Britain, and the Libyans themselves. Let's not forget the Libyans asked for help (the US didn't decide to start protests, or plea, and I mean PLEA for international military support).

2. Saddam DID keep the oil flowing, for a long time, there's so much more to that conflict than war. The USA was in the wrong, but just not for this simplistic reason.

3. The Saudi's can do what they like because they weild a lot of diplomatic power. Want to piss off almost every Muslim in the world? Declare war on Mecca. Please, the Saudis need the US' support too, for diplomatic reasons as well. Oil is a significant part of the Saudi economy, but not as big as tourism (Haaj), and Saudi isn't even the largest exporter to the US anymore.

[Michaelangelica]

Interesting article

Obama's most "historic" achievement is to bring the war on democracy home to America. On New Year's Eve, he signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), a law that grants the Pentagon the legal right to kidnap both foreigners and US citizens and indefinitely detain, interrogate and torture, or even kill them. They need only "associate" with those "belligerent" to the United States. There will be no protection of law, no trial, no legal representation. This is the first explicit legislation to abolish habeas corpus (the right to due process of law) and effectively repeal the Bill of Rights of 1789.

On January 5, in an extraordinary speech at the Pentagon, Obama said the military would not only be ready to "secure territory and populations" overseas but to fight in the "homeland" and provide "support to the civil authorities". In other words, US troops will be deployed on the streets of American cities when the inevitable civil unrest takes hold.

America is now a land of epidemic poverty and barbaric prisons: the consequence of a "market" extremism which, under Obama, has prompted the transfer of $14 trillion in public money to criminal enterprises in Wall Street. The victims are mostly young jobless, homeless, incarcerated African-Americans, betrayed by the first black president. The historic corollary of a perpetual war state, this is not fascism, not yet, but neither is it democracy in any recognisable form, regardless of the placebo politics that will consume the news until November. The presidential campaign, says the Washington Post, will "feature a clash of philosophies rooted in distinctly different views of the economy". This is patently false. The circumscribed task of journalism on both sides of the Atlantic is to create the pretence of political choice where there is none.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3794516.html

[TheDirtSurgeon]

Interesting article

The circumscribed task of journalism on both sides of the Atlantic is to create the pretence of political choice where there is none.

True that.

All the lefty Americans who hated Bush and love Obama... are blind to the fact that the policy has not changed one iota. And all the conservatives who rail against Obama's policies... supported the same crap when it was Bush.

The president changes, the parties change; the policy never changes.

[mischief]

Jaysus its a sad wee world we live in....bring on the reboot.