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so, 'This is Water' - i'm not convinced.

kimbo.parker — Wed, 15 May 2013 11:34:29 GMT

this is a popular vid

but I have a problem with it.

It is a well known fact that if change is slow enough, it becomes practically unnoticeable.
The Herd are practised at adapting life's little expectations to suit such confines as society imposes - all part of the social contract.

but Alvin Tofler alerted us via " Future Shock " ( some time in the 80's?) that the ever increasing pace of change is going to be too much for some.

in this video, i see the herd doing some sort of Zen,,,and in their praiseworthy efforts to accept the unchangeable. completely miss the fact that an intolerable situation needs changing - not acceptance.

the social exchanges highlighted in the vid are real life piss off's...sure, it is good for the Herd to avoid road rage, but would it not be better if the traffic congestion at the root of the problem was fixed, instead of life coaching sufferers to cope?

i have no recourse but to state my strongest belief that there is water, and there is water.
lots of different types of water.
and,
frankly some of it is crap.
dirty polluted over used and under cleaned water.
real unnatural dangerous water.

it serves nobodies interest to just adopt the mantra - This is Water.
and so this video fails.

the metaphor is dodgy and the zen feel good is the Herd being trained to roll over to the next subtraction from their quality of life.

feel good pop pulp that enthrals almost 5 million souls who take solace from the fact that there is jack they can do with the outer, and it all gets down to managing the inner.

it's why Buddhism doesn't really flourish amid first world affluence - not enough suffering.
well maybe that is a bit past tense -
when clearly the video appeals to the Buddhist to make the best of the situation....

this peeves those of us looking forward to change.
we don't want comfy in crap

and those of us that leapt...know for a fact that Water is way way way more than just Water.
or can be.

What is biting me in my garden

pixiestick19 — Mon, 13 May 2013 16:17:41 GMT

Last year, I planted a vegetable garden. I was being bit by something that I was unable to see after being bit but stung and resembled a mosquito bite. I know it was not a mosquito but whatever these things were, would bite any exposed skin within 30sec to 1min with over 5 to 10 bites. It got to the point where I neglected my crops because it was too miserable to go out there. Anyone have any idea where these bites are coming from??

a designers manual translation

fr33b3rd — Mon, 06 May 2013 06:55:51 GMT

does anyone know of or seen korean translations of any of bill mollisons texts or any other relevant information?

About the word, No.

Pakanohida — Fri, 03 May 2013 16:56:59 GMT

After reading something by Eco, I figured I would share the lyrics of one of my favorite modern musical artists. The song is simply called, "No"

Quote:

Yeah some of y'all flip like wills never got
What we gon do right here is go back
Waaay back
Back into rhyme

We gonna do a song that you never heard before

NO comeback stories NO corny
Choruses No glories NO hallelujahs
NO landcruisers NO drug users
NO grins NO trends
NO phony azz friends
Who begin wit ends and end wit NO ends
And NO estrogen
NO gassups NO soups NO lexcoups
NO crackers NO backers NO niggas
For the blackers NO triple teams
NO mainstream dreams
NO stress beams NO accusations
Cop chases or court cases
NO rape charges NO sarges NO DeBarges
NO lightweight bouts, up in the air
Shoot outs and NO sellouts
NO negros with egos NO mo shows
Callin women bitches and hoes
NO thoughtless flows NO woes
NO singin voices NO Rolls Royces
NO wack choices
NO volunteers getting peers of career
Years
NO solutions NO problems
NO more vinyl revolving
NO happy campers NO offense
NO funk samples

The easiest and the hardest word to say is NO
Only got two letters
Only takes a second to say it
NO meanin No
NO contest NO stress
NO second guessin
NO body guards
NO question
The easiest and the hardest word to say is NO
Only got two letters
Only takes a second to say it
NO meanin No
NO contest NO stress
NO second guessin
NO body guards
NO question

NO suckertash
NO girl I got the cash raps
NO sex traps
NO Rolexes NO unprotected sexes
NO false hopes
NO hand ropes boats NO car notes
NO killers NO vanilla
NO bigger willies NO Wilmas
NO jail time NO fuckin lil kid rhymes
NO studio terrors NO mirrors
Look ma NO spelling errors
NO absent pops, NO sweatshops
NO pork chops
NO justice NO peace NO please please please
NO legal freestyles NO willies, NO
McCovey
NO industry rapes, capes NO suits NO
Ties
NO stars NO over paid A&R's
NO body guards gold teeth
NO east coast, west coast beefs
NO dumb looks, NO one sided books
NO special cooks NO finesse NO mess NO struggle to progress
NO hittin sprees NO HIV NO lies
From NO TV's
NO contracts NO tracks with NO mechanicals

The easiest and the hardest word to say is NO
Only got two letters
Only takes a second to say it
NO meanin No
NO contest NO stress
NO second guessin
NO body guards
NO question
The easiest and the hardest word to say is NO
Only got two letters
Only takes a second to say it
NO meanin No
NO contest NO stress
NO second guessin
NO body guards
NO question
The easiest and the hardest word to say is NO
Only got two letters
Only takes a second to say it
NO meanin No
NO contest NO stress
NO second guessin
NO body guards
NO question
The easiest and the hardest word to say is NO
Only got two letters
Only takes a second to say it
NO meanin No
NO contest NO stress
NO second guessin
NO body guards
NO question

Lyrics by Chuck D.

How much of your food do you grow?

lukemurphy — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 09:50:33 GMT

I am curious to know an estimate of how much of their own food people on the forum grow. Maybe as a rough percentage of calories? And then to compare this with how many hours spent on growing food? And maybe how old the garden is?

I realise there is a lot more to permaculture than gardening, and there is a lot more to gardening than growing food, and a lot more to growing food than just producing calories.

Just curious though, any replies will be appreciated.

(I spend 6-10 hours a week in the garden, my garden is almost a year old, and I'd estimate I get around 10-15% of calories from the garden).

Geoff

Wallaby72 — Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:32:37 GMT

Hi everyone

Does someone have a copy or can direct me to one online, of the article Geoff wrote: "Permaculture Aid in the Balkans, UNHCR commissions permaculture plan for refugee camps in the Permaculture International Journal No. 73, 24-29.? This is for research for an essay.

Thanks kindly

Farmers Market experience

mouseinthehouse — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 02:46:06 GMT

I was able to go the closest Farmer's Market last Saturday (100kms away) for the first time. Unfortunately it was raining and not under cover so our time there was limited.
As we sheltered under the overhang of a building there was a stall there selling pomegranates but it was unattended. Shortly I was surprised to see one of my neighbours approach who was selling the pomegranates. I did not realise their orchard was old enough for a crop. I was excited until she said they only had a small crop due to the beetles (remember my posts about the cockchafer beetle plague). She said they boom sprayed the crop to save some but would need to 'nuke' the ground in winter/spring to kill the grub larvae in the soil. My heart sank. She gave me a couple to try which I scrubbed and used and they were good. Don't think I want to buy more next season after they grow in soil that has been 'nuked'. :(
If we hadn't known each other and were chatting I probably would have just bought some without finding out about the pesticides etc. Guess that's a lesson learnt.

One highlight was a great little stand 'Burma Organic Produce' grown by local resettled migrants. Hope to support them during the winter when my own garden is a bit unproductive. :)