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Tropicana
16-02-2009, 08:52 AM
I posted a question in my last topic and I'm not sure that it got noticed. Hence the new topic.
I decided that it would be great for my back if my main vegetable garden was a straw-bale garden, as suggested by Len on his site. It looks great and would, as I said, save a lot of bending over and therefore pain for me whilst planting, weeding, harvesting.
Now, though, we are going through the wettest summer in 30 years and there is mould in the house as well as out there in the garden (especially in the shady bits). This raises the concern of mould in the straw bales of the garden. I had mould in straw bales over one winter when I lived in Tassie which sent mould spores flying everywhere once they'd dried out a bit & I tried to move them. So I just put them over an area I didn't intend to plant until the following year and they rotted down nicely. But........ :?:
If the strawbales got mould here in the summer, would it affect any of the remaining perennial plants in the garden? (I'd leave most of the garden empty or with a cover crop in the summer, too hot, too many hungry critters and sometimes, as this year, too wet to grow successfully) :!:
It was suggested that any mould bales could just be put on the compost. Fair enough, but how would that affect the structure of the garden? Would it maintain it's integrity during the change-over? :mrgreen:
Is it really worth going to the trouble of building the straw-bale garden in this climate? Would I be better off just applying no-dig techniques without the bales? What would be a good alternative to the straw-bales?
So much time has been lost for us out in the garden this summer due to the incredible amount of rain we're getting and it doesn't look like stopping or even slowing down any time soon, so I want to get the garden for winter up and ready to plant as soon as I can once the ground is eventually ready to work on. :?
Any input from those experienced in gardening in the sub tropics to the tropics would be much appreciated. :D

Best wishes to all,
Tropicana

gardenlen
16-02-2009, 09:10 AM
g'day tropicana,

guess you could say i'm in the dry sub-tropics then hey?

we aren't having much of a wet season right now.

we actually use hay bales or sugar cane mulch bales, hay is generally fodder grass. it gets mouldy when wet but as far as i can determine had never been an issue, it all seems to add to the fast breakdown of the hay.


tropicana asked,
If the strawbales got mould here in the summer, would it affect any of the remaining perennial plants in the garden?

no it never has for me. if winter is your better time for growing to defeat the bugs then no worries fallowing the gardens through summer. shady gardens are usually a problem when trying to grow vege's etc.,. as most need good sun.


tropicana further asked,
Is it really worth going to the trouble of building the straw-bale garden in this climate? Would I be better off just applying no-dig techniques without the bales? What would be a good alternative to the straw-bales?

suppose there is some trouble to building any garden as you need to take the time to do the job and amass the materials. you could use corrugated zincloume roofing either full strip width or have them stripped in 1/2, then use galc' star pickets to tie the corrugated to, if you use the longest pickets i think 2 meters then you will have star picket sticking up that could be used for trellesing. the corrugated would out last the bales oh i dunno 20 to one maybe well a long time.

of course you can do the garden without any edging, when my bales rot away i don't have an effective edge and the integrity of the bed shape remains.

now with the tropics some areas may be drier than others but what is happening up there now is pretty much seasonal it is just that it has been such a long time coming this time, and people forget.

len

Tropicana
16-02-2009, 11:16 AM
Thanks Len,
I was just worried I'd be creating a problem for myself with the bales. :mrgreen:
I love the idea of the straw-bale garden and now I will continue to collect the necessary ingredients for it.
Thanks again! :D
Tropicana

gardenlen
16-02-2009, 12:00 PM
g'day tropicana,

it may depend on an individuals health to some degree, if they have allergies and what those allergies are, but i can say that i have never had any adverse effect.

len

cody
03-03-2009, 01:40 PM
no problem in the wet subtropics :wink:

Tropicana
04-03-2009, 07:01 AM
Thanks again, guys

The ground is actually dry enough at the moment to move the heavier stuff around and we are (well, hubby is :o )getting the 'stuff' together so that we can start building the garden. Looks like there is more rain on the way, so he is flat out, poor bugger!

I've never had any problems with mould allergies, Len, thank goodness! Just as well because there is still some here and there in the house that keeps recurring! I'm actually enjoying the wet, apart from the obvious limitations with the wet ground. All the existing stuff and plants we put in earlier such as coffee, bananas, aloe vera and herbs are powering!. It's great. :mrgreen:

I've started planting seeds in trays ready for other areas, as well as popping a couple of pineapple tops into pots. (I hope they will cope with being transplanted later?) I've also taken on board the benefits of applying chipped trees to the soil. We have been doing this anyway as we can get the stuff for free at the local tip. True, we don't know exactly what's in it, but it's mostly going around areas where we have non-edibles, anyway, plus we put plenty of newspaper down first, so we have areas that we don't have to weed all over again. :lol: Bliss! And yes, the chips are breaking down very rapidly with no noticeable effect on the shrubs or trees they are near. Looks like we'll have to do it once or twice a year.

Great to hear that straw-bale gardens hold up even up there in the wetter areas, thank you for that info, Cody

Happy gardening all
Tropicana

nsainsbury
13-03-2009, 04:43 PM
Link to photos of my bale garden
in early feb http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1 ... =655961231 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1769590&l=093cb&id=655961231)
peas and corn coming up under the okra http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2 ... =655961231 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2029616&l=23cb6&id=655961231)
The corn
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss249/Nsainsbury/PB300027.jpg
Snake beans
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss249/Nsainsbury/PB300034.jpg

Tropicana
14-03-2009, 09:06 AM
Hey, great pics, nsainsbury!

We have the strawbale garden in place now, the blood and bone and newspaper are down, too. At the moment only covered in the weeds we pulled to set the bales up, but we have discovered a mushroom farm in Townsville and plan to pick up as much as we can when they clear the sheds next (a week or so away). Using this instead of the usual manure, etc will mean that we can plant this season and gradually improve on it as time goes by.

It's actually been a bit of a Godsend that we have had to wait this long to get this together; being this far north, I assumed that the suns path wouldn't vary quite as much as it does in the south. Wrong!!! :oops: We have several trees (both on this block and the neighbours) which shade the area down the back, with only a relatively small area unaffected. I would have had a partially shaded garden if I had gone ahead and put it where I planned initially. Now it will be just right. :lol:

Thanks for all your help, guys, we're powering thanks to all the really great input from you all. I'll let you know how things go from here.

Best wishes to all, especially lovingmygarden who has provided seedlings and support,

Tropicana