View Full Version : Hello fellow "Permies" - an introduction
16-02-2003, 01:39 PM
I hope that I can contribute to and at the same time learn from this board. My philosophy in life is to have fun at the same time.:D
You can learn more about what I'm into by checking out our web site.
Permaculture Plants (http://www.permacultureplants.com/)
11-03-2003, 12:20 PM
so Jeff -
this board is your little creation?
am i right?
Permaculture Plants was one of the first Permie books my wife and i discovered in Eltham Library - it was inspiring.
this is a handy little forum.
i'll remember it when i need to tap into your expertise. had David Holmgren at our property a few weeks agao and we are at the beginning of the most exciting adventure.....
13-03-2003, 12:46 PM
so Jeff -
this board is your little creation?
am i right? ...
Right name, wrong spelling, wrong person.
Geoff Lawton is at least partly responsible for this board.
Geoff and I go all the way back to Stanley Tasmania when we did Bill Mollison's PDC together in 1983.
Yes it is a handy forum and I would certainly like to see it used more. It gets a little awkward being the first, second and third post on the board for a whole week. :D
Never mind it is still in its infancy and people do resist using this format because they feel as though they are suddenly in the spotlight at the front of the board.
I figure relax, we're all among friends.
Thanks for your kind word on the book. Yes please feel free to tap me for what I know. Post it on the board though, then we might be able to get some discussion going.
Happy adventures - Jeff
Your obvious experience might be making some novices (of which I'm one) shy Jeff. Keep your posts coming though, I'm learning from them and yes, the forum is in its infancy so the frequency of posts will increase. I'm just about finished Feral Future by Tim Low and will then go onto the sequel you mentioned recently, The New Nature, after which I'd like to pick your brains about various issues they raise. Please don't jump the gun on me though!
14-03-2003, 01:38 PM
hey mont & jeff.
the new Tim Low book - i have heard explorews an idea that David Holmgren is also starting to think about called 'ecosynthesis'...the idea that ecosystems are not stagnent but evolving and developing spaces. This flies in the face of people who revegetate landscapes with a view that a ecosystem maintains a very stable state for many hundreds of years...
am i right? or was it someone else, not Tim Low?
i find the idea very exciting in terms of creating permaculture forests and acknowledging that our idea of the natural australian bush that needs preservation, does not simply mean returning the land to its state from 200 years ago...but can evolve as we enrich the poorest soils in the world and as part of the ecosystem help it evolve.
15-03-2003, 06:16 AM
Yes this forum does have great potential and hopefully posts will increase rapidly. I have been planting on a block in Southern Tassie for just over two years. During this time my interest and knowledge has increased rapidly. We can learn from books, etc, but one of the best ways is to be inspired and build or piggy back on the knowledge and experiences of others. In my area there are only a few people who share similar ideas with regard to planting and design. Therefore this forum is a great way to reach out and share within the larger community.
I current use a forum called palmtalk as i have recently become interested in utility palms, thanks to Jeff's influence. This forum is used by large numbers with posts being put up all the time.
Let's get into it - if you have any questions or comments about Tassie and Cygnet, let me know.
G'day Dan. I'm quite happy to see a cornucopia of plants available in Australia if it doesn't mean losses of our native species as a result. I find the notion of a static ecosystem hard to believe, so it seems that aiming to revegetate or otherwise return Australia to its 'natural' state begs the impossible question of 'When?' Do we mean its state 250 years ago before the first fleet? Or 10,000 years ago before the dingo and certain plants arrived? Or somewhere in between? My overwhelming concern is that permaculturists should not be unwittingly responsible for releasing plants or animals that might become so rampant or invasive in their new home that extinction of a native plant or animal results. That would be reducing our ecological diversity instead of increasing it. If we're going to be active - and I think that's a given - then we have to be smart. To help us be smart, it's helpful to know as much as possible about plants or animals that take our fancy before we bung them on our land. Low's first book is helpful in that area. I look forward to reading his second, in which Jeff Nugent suggests he backtracks a bit, recognising that everything contributes to an ecosystem (I hope I haven't verballed you there Jeff, anyway it's here on the forum in one of your responses).
While we're on the subject of useful websites Marcus, there's a British one called Plants For A Future that has a species database of 7000 edible or otherwise useful plants. The site is
15-03-2003, 07:18 PM
thanks for the link I will give it a look when i depart here.
17-03-2003, 11:02 AM
very valid point on the need for knowledge and being smart about deisgn. the beautiful thing about p/culture is the solution-based approach, rather than problem focussed.
the simple principle of observing and interacting with the ecosystems in which you are a part is the most fundamental part of practicing your permaculture well.
problems only seem to evolve when things are left unchecked.
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