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Jana
03-01-2007, 06:09 AM
NEOCON HEAVEN
I was telling a guy today that Bushregime probably modeled itself on Hitler and the Nazi party...but I didn't know how close to the truth I was when I said that. Now after hours of video watching of Alex Jones I know.

Speaking of the Black Knights their Pax Americana World Domination Cult…
Even if the Democrats get back into power, the neocons still have almost the same ability to undertake their schemes? And we still have two more years in which another 9/11 could be orchestrated...besides what is this massive level corruption actually doing to the heart and soul of the American people.

Who knows where the neocons are going to hit next, the other coast perhaps...San Francisco, LA, San Diego

You need to watch these videos to get the full picture...

That Alex Jones & crew are a freaking genius to wind all that stuff together like that....His latest is "Terror Storm." http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... rror+storm (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=terror+storm)

Interview with Steven Jones on the technique used to demolish the twin towers.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... alex+jones (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2842384983834100001&q=alex+jones)

Oh and this one will blow your mind...2.5 hours of terror and fun! First hour will keep you laughing your head off, then its blow after blow of incredible exposure. Martial Law 9/11 Rise of the Police State
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... alex+jones (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661&q=alex+jones)

My CIA friend who was at the “trainer” level in intelligence, psi and assassination and who was a Integral Institute watcher, blocked my email immediately after I put a link to Alex Jones on the Lightmind KW forum...thus signifying to me that Alex Jones is right on the money!!!

Please after you have watched some of this stuff go to this site to get rebalanced. This neocon stuff is really very scary if you really let it sink in, and we cannot let fear be our motivation.

http://www.edge.org/q2007/q07_index.html —What are you optimistic about

The Fact is those towers were demolished, they did not come down due to fire, you can see that as a fact from listening to Steven Jones. It is obvious that Larry Silverstein had his towers pulled and it had to be staged as a terrorist attack in order to get the 3.6 billion insurance. The entire thing was staged with the help of Taliban and Bin Laden so they could get their war in Iraq, the oil and start eating their way through the Middle East. They willingly sacrificed 2752 people in the Towers themselves and 3000 Americans killed in the Iraq war. An estimated 655,000 Iraqis have died as a result of the 2003 US-led invasion, 30,000 of those civilians.

I think in the day of Franklin and Washington the Masons or at least these certain Masons had full integrity. But this maverick crowd are clearly insane for power itself. Interesting that Aleister Crowley was head of the Thule Society, some one that spawned Hitler.

Anyway what arises is the question of what is a human life in times of absolute corruption...obviously you can let none of that darkness affect one negatively but use itt as a wakeup call to a deeper more profound contribution to humanity and the Globe.

I think what I will do is not to bring up this absolute evil with the average person, but instead concentrate on empowerment of each individual and building the vision of a future civilization that cannot be prayed upon by political cancer. I will however point the strongest of the strong toward those outstanding videos.

9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out by David Ray Griffin (Editor), Peter Dale Scott (Editor)…This looks like a good book, might get that, this subject is really catching my interest as the best thing that has ever happened to humanity...to get us off our asses. There is a huge parasite sitting upon the body of man, and what are EACH of us going to do about it?

“Species instinct…innate "knowing" of what sort of actions and attitudes to adopt/adapt in perpetuating a dynamic of natural happiness and prosperity as a human being. Where the intellect guides and informs rather than exclusively setting the course.

I've been re-reading Christian de Quincey's commentary on the work of Jean Liedloff (The Continuum Concept). Bouncing it off of McKenna's "Archaic Revival". And wondering about the idea of homo noeticus coming from a species that has yet to learn to use what it has to work with (beyond encultured learning) instead of aspiring toward transcendence of Nature's handiwork.” Kebert, Noetic Cafe

Species instinct...ok yes I have called that Universal Mind (Universal Man) or cosmic consciousness. I have also termed it the Global Brain and the Muse also to try and convey the tangible sense of this expanded sensory-sentience that occurs with kundalini rising.

Ken was an inspired scientist and now he is a politician.
I love Ken for his humanity even if he has succumbed to his own Kencult. To a certain extent this is an unavoidable instinct of species preservation, in that he is so acute to the periles of the age that he has to do the personality cult thing now in order to build and spread the integral information for the greatest depth and the greatest span.

Go look at the Alex Jones Google videos and you will see that not only is Ken our greatest hope as a networker and developer of high-conscious ideas, but that KW is a freaking pussycat of the highest order, and a POO Master at that!!!! ☺


In comparing the possible outcomes of a Cult of Ken compared with a Cult of Schwarzenegger and the Neocons and you start to get a real respect for what Ken means to us in this day and age...as we still hang on the cusp of survival or total destruction.
http://gov.ca.gov/
Anyone who wants Schwarzenegger for President needs a brain transplant.

CULT-URE
I think spirituality might be the one area of human endeavor that we are the most ignorant of, which is funny because it is about consciousness. But this paradox is related to the phenomena that the eye cannot see itself!
You know I am tending to agree that all human community in general is cultic, from families right up to countries, and international organizations. I think human community is synonymous with cult behavior and this is this memewars phenomena in effect. “Cult-ure” is cultic.
It is caused by the arrested development of humans into the fearful conditioned personality protecting a feeble reptilian perception-perspective. The cult is old mammalian brain wiring running amuck and posing as genuine humans. Human community might indeed always be cultic. So we should investigate what that is and why...there are some good videos on Google...one by an editor of Omni mag.

Our brains are wired for pleasure (endorphins) as a reward for social engagement...this is the basis of all human relationship. Of course this basic relationship-endorphin phenomena has endless permutations and perversions...some of us get pleasure at having this natural chemical response thawted...eg: killers, abusers and neocons. This is also the basis of tribal human sacrifice...the perversion of the natural chemical cascade from social engagement; in this case the chemical charge is achieved via ostracization, abuse or killing the excluded individual. This tribal exclusion drive for the charge (adrenaline, dopamine and endorphins) derived from "excluding" other, and seeing other as "evil" in order to do so is the basis of war and cultural disharmony. This chemical elixir is why the Masons use staged human sacrifice in their ritual ceremonies.

In order to get the American people to act like a band of thugs, the neocons have to scare them repeatedly into a braindamaged state of animal-self-preservation...so that they stop seeking the chemical rewards of "togetherness" and instead seek the rewards of "separation and war." Then the happenstance of relationship, society and culture result from this tuning of our fundamental wiring systems.

I cannot see how anyone can really transcend the tyranny of the mind and its figments unless they go through a full-blown kundalini awakening, and have their archetypal interiors collide with the archetypal exteriors in others...on which they project their interiors (hopes, fears, longings). Until the radical exaggeration that kundalini provides the mind cannot really become an object of its own awareness...Certain drugs might also have this perturbation effect allowing finally the mind to absorb the psychic-subtle into the rational fold and therefore permit transrationality. We must note that most or all Religions are still prerational and premystic. It is vitally important to realize that it is only well after an awakening that this integration into transrationality occurs, for during a kundalini awakening we are in the grip of the depths of our archetypal matrix.

Sovereignty and the mystic life occurs after we have emerged from chemical dependency on fitting in and belonging to the pack. Until that point, which is usually a cathartic and traumatic passage, we are simply "not our own person." Until we have built our Cosmic umbilical we are subject to the dictates and dictatorship of external human forces.

Ken Wilber: “This problem has today reached a critical point with the events of Jonestown and the growth of so many apparently strange cults. The world at large now looks with even more terrified suspicion upon any movement that appears "cultic" — that is, any group, large or small, centered around a "heroic" or "charismatic" leader.

"Cult" is the new anathema; cult is the new terror. But here again we face the same dilemma: All truthful and beneficial causes are initially "cultic," but not all cults are either truthful or beneficial. Examine any major historical phenomenon, and you will find it is cultic: headed by a Hero surrounded by devotees. This is not necessarily bad. How could the American Revolution have survived Valley Forge without the hero-figure of George Washington and his cultic followers? Where would modern psychiatry be without Freud and his slavishly cultic disciples? Or on the religious side: Christ and his cult of disciples, Buddha and his cult of monks, Krishna and his cult of devotees. Could we seriously wish that none of those cults ever existed?

Politics is cultic; religion is cultic; philosophy is cultic; even science is cultic — and cults, in the broadest sense, simply represent groups of those who acknowledge and try to follow in the steps of the Heroes of a particular field of endeavor. But, as I said — and it is worth repeating one last time — while all truth is initially cultic, not all cults are truthful. We in the West have a long list of cults and their Heroes that we generally think are harmful: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, and, closer to home, many of the new "cultic religions" that enslave rather than enlighten. But please notice: What makes these movements deplorable is not the fact that they are "cults" nor the fact that they have "heroes," but the fact that they are based on ideas or principles that reasonable men and women would eventually agree are erroneous or immoral or even heinous. But whatever you think about moral or immoral heroes, can you start to see how extremely tricky is the problem of followers, of truth, of heroes, of cults?”
http://www.adidawilber.com/on_heroes_an ... index.html (http://www.adidawilber.com/on_heroes_and_cults/index.html)

ho-hum
03-01-2007, 02:03 PM
Jana,

Long post but well said.

This is where it all started ''The Project for a New American Century'' http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Was 9/11 modelled on Operation Northwoods??
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

A bit more grist for the mill.

Interestingly, Operation Mockingbird tells of a CIA proposal to gradually buy into the US media companies to influence policy and decisions to suit the CIA. Talk about govt within a govt!!! http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-04,GGLD:en&q=operation+mockingbird

I have listed the google search for anyone interested. Find a resource you think is reliable and check it out.

If you really want to scare yourself find out who 'owns' the United States.
Either google the ''US Federal Reserve Act of 1913'' or check this out.
http://whistleblowers.freehosting.net/federal_power.htm

*takes pointy tin hat off*

Cheers

floot

Jana
03-01-2007, 03:34 PM
Thanks Floot, I had been ignoring the whole thing till a few weeks ago when the whole scenario suddenly flipped spontaneously in my mind, and then I went and saw what the rest of the US had been up to. Any permaculture ideas on how to root the rot from the Tree of the free and the brave? How to get them out and prevent them from ever getting back in power? Thanks for the links, I am collecting quite a bundle. The Alex Jones movies are first class, fantastic style mixing horror with humor.

The phenomena of rule by fear (or tyranny) is possible by keying into bonding patterns and the paranoia of the need to belong. Threaten the borders of a country or individual then they quickly circle the wagons and resort to aggressive defense or offense. The neocons where counting on this with their Twin Tower mission. Personally I think they must be incredibly stupid to think they could get away with it, it is the utter stupidity of blind power.

"Bonding patterns are often characterized by an incredibly high level of 'not seeing' or 'not noticing' on both sides, yet identifying the underlying vulnerability is essential if you are to understand a bonding pattern."
http://www.growingaware.com.au/BONDING_ ... _INTRO.htm (http://www.growingaware.com.au/BONDING_PATTERNS_INTRO.htm)


Cults and cult behavior with Dr. Keith Harary. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 91&q=cults (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1369828331938576791&q=cults)

John Nichols' new book, THE GENIUS OF IMPEACHMENT: The Founders' Cure for Royalism has been hailed by authors and historians Gore Vidal, Studs Terkel and Howard Zinn for its meticulous research into the intentions of the founders and embraced by activists for its groundbreaking arguments on behalf of presidential accountability.

ho-hum
03-01-2007, 05:24 PM
Jana,

Sadly I do believe they have gotten away with it. Past that I have no advice other than to keep informed.

Here are 2 more historical characters to do a lil research on. Firstly is Carl Schmitt who defined 'nazism' for Adolf Hitler. He was rescued from Nuremburg by the Dulles Brothers. [The Dulles Bros were also hired by Prescott Bush to hide his dealings with the nazis!!] Schmitt's most notable student was one Leo Strauss - the father of 'neoconservatism'. I once heard Chomsky state that ''the nazis didnt lose WW2 - they just moved to America.'' It took me a while to find out why he said that but I now agree with him.

The other is my favourite american - George Mason. Mason was the father of the Virginia Bill of Rights which ultimately became the US Bill of Rights. Mason & his legacy have ultimately been 'removed' from official US history and now the Bill of Rights is in tatters.

I am not predicting a rosy future for the USA. Meanwhile our own Quisling government here is leading us down the same path towards the same probable fate although I hanging on to the belief that our constitution was written with enough hindsight to avoid this.

Long live Henry Parkes legacy!!

cheers

floot

Jana
04-01-2007, 12:19 AM
Yes Floot, One really wonders how these people can still be in power at this point in the game. I mean what do they have to do, nuke LA or what?

I think it is the difference between evil (noncompassionate abuse of power) and good. These are criminals that are above the law, therefore the constitution is not going to save the sheep from the wolves. It is nature, or should I say a perversion of nature.

Isn't there a failsafe system that can actually get a rogue out of office, even if they do have the greatest military power at their backing...won't impeachment simply take too long, and then who runs the country while things are all tied up. You know those guys are not going to go quietly...we can expect another neo-con terrorist attack anyday now. What are they scheming...personally I think they should all be hanged by their thumbs naked at Ground Zero.

If you look at Silverman in the Martial Law 9/11 movie he practically is gloating on screen about how they had to "pull" building 7 despite casualties. Silverman should be hung naked also, along with all those CIA and FBI operatives that laid those explosives. Bohemian Grove should be bombed...Yale university should be shut down, and the entire conspirators sterilized so no further progeny of evil get produced.

I think that they were only able to carry off this hugely flawed plot, because of the enormous scale of it. But these badboys have the entire US resources at their disposal to play with. It is like a huge joke they played on the American people, they the fools in this comedy of errors make US citizens and the entire population of the globe look like Gomers. Dim wits...altho I knew immediately that Bush had done it when I heard he was down talking to some highschool girls, only Alex Jones has really made me see the condition America is in. What are we doing, what am I doing, what are we here for...the responsiblity is ours, can we rise to the challenge reality presents to us.
The US is going to need the help of the entire world on this one. :D :D

Jana
04-01-2007, 01:04 AM
Tyranny of the mind is when we believe that our mental activity is reality, that inner voices are really disembodied spirits talking to us. We are not able to distance ourself from our own machinery. It is the consensus trance/conditioned part of us making up a fictitious story to explain incidental firing in the brain. And also that our inner commentator that incessantly talks to us IS who we are, where it is really just a small and somewhat aberrant faction of the Self.

I was deeply embedded in archetypal mind until years after my awakening, and I didn't know it...now I have post-rational ie: creative capacity, it is a type of transconscious wholism. Prior to that it was more of a superstitious weaving of parts that was going on. This cannot be pinned down, it is a vague observation of more rounded awareness. The avenues of perturbation that allow us distance from the tyranny of the mind include crisis, shock, death, births, war, falling in love, radical change, travel and near death experience count...Dreaming in general can be perturbating to conventional-consensus trance, but usually only the kundi-juiced dream periods with visionary material are really transformational.


The neocons are going to propel America and the globe into post conventionality once they are shocked and awed into realizing that the consensus trance is not going to save them from facist dictators. Thing is we choose to be innocent and think that this kind of thing cannot happen in our day and age...while it is happening before our eyes.

ho-hum
04-01-2007, 01:47 AM
Jana,

In my own sweet aussie way I have been intimating that, and now I will be blunt, not all that Jones has to offer is credible. I do so, not to curb your message but to spread it. Jones, in his youthful exuberance, has propounded some rather incredible messages. I certainly do not include his 9/11 stuff in this.

In this instance you are 'preaching to the choir'. My suggestion is to you is that to maintain credibility with this forum and others is that you widen your research. I say this in the nicest way and would hate to think you had been knocked out of the 'race' by hitching your waggon to Alex Jones. Also, I would be reluctant to post anything on this forum that you assume we have not either discussed or heard of.

You have the internet at hand, so cross-search anything you read.

Please keep posting.

Regards.. floot

Jana
04-01-2007, 04:09 AM
I will read Crossing the Rubicon and also 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out by David Ray Griffin (Editor), Peter Dale Scott (Editor)…but I don't want to waste my time figuring what happened, more rather the psychological aspects and figuring out a solution. I have the feeling that permaculture might have answers to political rot. You can use horticultural and metaphors of nature to explain and find solutions to any question in life. It is not up to me to solve Americas problems, I am a kiwi afterall, but I find it an interesting intellectual exercise to work out the next chess move, and determine what I myself am going to do in future also.

Here is my permaculture, permanent cultural solution:

First immediately chop out the rot (impech Bush and arrest all conspirators), take it to the lab (supreme court) and classify its species-type...labeling corruption for what it is. Investigate why the rot become established in the first place. Change the growing conditions to reflect this new knowledge: change the soil (constitution), watering (federal financal legistlation), nutrition (structures and laws of Government) and surrounding plants (international relations).
Take the rot out of the garden so it doesn't continue to infest (Neocons sent to Siberia). Dump a heap of compost and establish a green-cover crop...(invest in alternative energy and earth friendly industry). Have your garden be the pride of the neighborhood and win prizes for excellence at the local agricultural show (reestablish integrity and good will in the international family). Give away the surplus to others less fortunate to recover karmic standing and increase world mental-emotional health...(reparations for sins committed).

frosty
04-01-2007, 06:34 AM
Hi jana

I admit I havent read all he links but I do certainly believe the neocons were behind sept 11th attacks ........... I knew instantly the day it happened ........ there were ven some articles before wondering what they would stage to get american people to agree to launching a war

the US govt is undoubtedly the worse war criminals the world has ever seen ........ to find the extent of their genocidal crimes in Afganistan and iraq and now people all arround the globe read what Doug Rokke and Lauren Moret have to say about the use of depleted uranium

depopulation has begun to pave the way for US world domination

in one place you say the world will have to stop the US people sort out the mess ......... you should consult the rest of your countrymen :lol: as someone who has posted on political boards since 9/11 I know well that most americans will not tolerate criticism from any "foreigner" ........ some now accpt criticism of Bush but still cant see the problem of your foreign policy and rabid militarism is much deeper than just the current administration or even the republicans

sorry I cant detail more I have a lot of trouble typing due to my being disabled .......... I will try and come back later and post some more with some links

frosty

ho-hum
04-01-2007, 08:08 AM
The funny thing about 9/11 is that until this time I had only ever had fleeting moments of skepticism in respect to world events and even then it was all assumption. Whilst I could be cynical about events historical, somehow I refused to believe that governments ever acted like that in 'this day and age'.

I think what is hardest to grapple with is the fact that this is happening on our watch. So we either ignore what is happening which makes us complicit; or we speak out and risk ridicule. Walk into a pub and say ''do you really believe that 2 dozen turban wearing camel jockeys came outta caves in Afghanistan, hijacked 4 planes and did 9/11??'' and then check out the looks on the faces of those around you!! :shock: :D :D

Maybe cynicism comes with age. When I studied History, specifically the Holocaust, in my matriculation year I raised a number of questions with my old history teacher. He gave me some very sage advice and told me to 'toe the company line' in the final [external] exams or I risked writing a great essay and failing. His advice was to keep my thoughts and suggestions to myself. I did take his advice and managed to pass History, in fact, every one of his students did. This advice was all the more odd because it flew in the face of everything he had taught us all year about questioning the 'official' versions of history... :)

Now... having said that I need to find a chook thread and get back to normal...

floot

Jana
22-02-2007, 03:55 PM
Oh and excuse me, I just wondered, if those planes that hit the towers were actually military or private planes, then where did the commercial 747s go with their supposed passengers?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8657369298 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1870519088657369298)

They must have been flown into Edwards airforce base or
Area 51 ...an area with alot of military land around it and no population base. Or they could have been flown off the coast of the US all together, perhaps to the marshalls or guam. Some military personal must have balked at this, and were cleaned up eh?