where did everyone go part 2

[Richard on Maui]

Well, you know Murray, a good moderator is one that is barely noticeable. Almost anyone on the internet would agree. You aren't in a very objective position to judge how you come across in terms of "ownership" of this forum. Have some humility and think about what Christopher said. It is true. You are a fascist.

[RobWindt]

This forum would have to be one of the easiest to follow (considering the number of tangents) and one of the more informative.

The removal of dormant threads in a passionate group will always be contentious but storage is not free and the filing cabinets must be culled on occasion to keep them useful. Cheers to Murray for keeping it all on track in a light hearted manner.

Cheers
Rob
"Che is dead, get over it"

[Richard on Maui]

How much would the deleted threads cost, eh? I'm sure we could do a whip round and cover it.

[christopher]

I would have donated something.... USD50 or so....

[Lolly]

Note to self.. never become dormant in case someone negates the 37 years (read pages) of interesting, useful experiences (read information) or god forbid just something plain amusing that I have accumulated and buries me!!

[murray]

Richard,

>Well, you know Murray, a good moderator is one that is barely noticeable

tried that, back in september 2005. we all saw how well that worked out, right? i didn't take action when i should have and half the active members left because of it.

the lesson i learned from that? a good moderator is one that is barely noticable. a great moderator is one that knows when to take action.

in summary, a moderator needs to step in if members are heading in the wrong direction. there's no successful online community in the world that doesn't have this policy.

with regard to the deleted threads, it's a moderator's job to clean up his or her forum from time to time to make the forum easier to navigate and search. although i won't apologize for removing old and offtopic stuff, i have apologized already for removing this *particular* thread.

cheers guys

[christopher]

Murray,

I empathie with your position. Being proactive back in November/December would have retained half the particpants here.... and tidying up chased Tam away.... hard calls to make, and perhaps the wrong ones. I wouldn't want your job! My sympathies with you on that!

However, it was one thread, filled with good feelings, laughter, and, I'll say it, love. There was so much crystallized good feeling in that thread that removing it was just thoughtless. Theres lots of junk in here. Go look at the original posts.... but that one thread was like an insect in amber, a preserved series of moments in history, all good feeling, dozens of people. I can't imagine it was a hindrance for others to find stuff here for the sake of this one thread.....

The problem before was the three horses of the apocalype, nasty vibes, tag team smug aggression and pointles promotion of agrochemicals (on a Permaculture site, talk about off topic!), not a thread filled with warmth, populated by dozens of people, spread out over a few months.

It may have seen off topic, but considering it was the receptacle of so much embodied energy, months of humour and good feeling, removing it was disrespectful, at the least. It was a good representation of where this place was, and could be! If ya needed space, you could have solicited funds to cover the extra storage instead of chopping off a piece of this boards history!!

Glad to see the rasta clown thread is gone, tho, as that thread reflected poorly on us, in my opinion... (but it was disturbing and, afer the inital shock, funny to see someone behave so stupidly.....)

Also, perhaps posts that objectify women should be policed. "Champagne and topless blondes" as a guild does not really put our best foot forward..... Just my thoughts.....

If you have to remove stuff, prioritize! In my opiniion, that was an error in judgement. That thread reflected very positively on this place..... much better than the Round Up promoters stuff that didn't get removed!

Best,

C

[Richard on Maui]

Actually, I just can't see any justifiable reason for removing anything, except for spam. Okay, that is subjective, but for the most part it is obvious, you know when new threads pop up that have nothing to do with the forum. I assume that you are removing those, Murray, and I do appreciate your work in that respect.
But in terms of posts that are placed in here by real forum members, I emphatically feel that it is much better that you leave it alone. If you are trying to decide to leave something in or take it out, and you have to make a subjective decision about whether or not someones posts are relevant or worthwhile, I think 99.99% of the time you should give them the benefit of the doubt. How can you know that your criteria will be appropriate to the needs and intentions of the myriad of people that get involved in this thing? I mean, it is such a hairy line. What you are doing amounts to censorship, which is one of the hallmarks of fascism. Keep it up and for sure, this community will not get stronger.

[naturally inspired]

jeez ive just about had enough of this thread. i think everyone really just needs to get over it! the thread has been deleted, you cant do anything about it. it was just a thread man!! if your that sorry about it, start a new one!

[murray]

richard -

actually there are plenty of things that can be deleted.

- duplicate posts
- people asking where other people are
- people asking if other people can PM them
- people asking where other threads are that they've lost
- people asking how to do something on the board
- polls that have no value and no votes

i guess i got carried away and saw "fluff and stuff: post your nonsense in here - we did!!!!!!" and thought that it would be OK to delete. i was wrong. i apologized for fuck's sake. what's more, i'm in the process of restoring it from an old backup i have.

maybe when that's done, people can just let it go and move on. at least, that's my hope and dream.

also, richard, if that's your definition of fascism, you've just described every forum and online community that i know.

m.

[christopher]

Murray,.

You get that thread back, I will email you a halo as an attachment!

C

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[christopher]

Hahahahah, Hi Ben!

[FREE Permaculture]

Hi Chris, your back to 1000 posts i see.
my, you have been a busy bee :)

[christopher]

Hahahaha, Ben!@ I didn't notice! Thanks for pointing that out!

(on to 2000!)

[Boab]

I think in amidst pointing fingers, people have forgotten one fundamental aspect of forum dwelling.

Just as it is your choice to use one, it also your choice to leave.

No one is forced to read a thread and, ultimately, leaving is your own decision. It's your responsibility and one that should not be foisted upon a moderator, no matter how good or bad he or she is supposed to be.
Fluctuations are common on every board. Like the seasons, people change or go through phases and sometimes although you may regret the going of that entity, such absences can be a positive thing too.

Just sayin'.

[Tezza]

Im On Sir Muzzas Side here i think 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Yes this Site must hold a lot of memories to some more then others..

Bit odd that those who dont partake anymore whinge the most about removed Posts..In my Opinion......If you spit the dummy,take your ball and run,or dont show interest,....well what else can a person expect....

Id like to sugest To Sir Muzza that maybe delete all?single non answered posts, when hes done that maybe if needing space he could give us notice re deleting etc befoe he deletes........

I agree that it cn take ages to type a message (single digit typing) or in chriss cases long detailed info,and Yes it does hurt to se it all wasted...

But as i said....IF your not posting here,that may constitute,A desision to terminate their association with this board(This has happened and will continue to for the remainder of time)......

Hey Muzza Cant you delete posts without taking the poted totals out of it.

Its hard keeping up latly......Id like to post 1000 posts too one day...

I think ricky must be fixing the posting totals up have you seen his score latley

Tezza

[murray]

hey tezz

>Id like to sugest To Sir Muzza that maybe delete all?single non
>answered posts, when hes done that maybe if needing space he
>could give us notice re deleting etc befoe he deletes........

well - the unanswered posts may get answered one day. and if they're ontopic i see no problem leaving them. as for giving notice before deleting more posts - i don't think i'll ever delete anything from the board ever again after this latest ruckus! :-)

>I agree that it cn take ages to type a message (single digit typing) or
>in chriss cases long detailed info,and Yes it does hurt to se it all
>wasted...

yup.

>Hey Muzza Cant you delete posts without taking the poted totals out
>of it

no. it's the number of posts on the board which make up your total. :-)

m.

[Tezza]

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Tezza

[ho-hum]

A couple of things.

If you are worried about your post numbers. I think murray should be able to edit and move the counter forward... So anyone who desperately needs a 1000 posts should be accommodated.

If you are worried about losing the information you can try this.

Top of screen: EDIT then SELECT ALL then RIGHT CLICK and then SAVE it all on your computer. It works a treat.

Either of these things should mean we do not have a hullaba-fucking-loo if Murray performs one of the basic forms of adminstrering which is spring cleaning.

floot

[christopher]

Actually, Floot, I really wasn't worried about numbers. It was a j-o-k-e! Joke, okay, as in: Ha-ha? I only mentioned it as a joke between me and Tam, who posted 1000 posts some time before I did, and as a further joke to Murray. I really don't care about numbers.....


































(1004!)

[Tezza]

I do.. 718 i been this number more times then i can remember :( :( :( :(


Tezza

[Richard on Maui]

Anyone read 1984 or Brave New World lately?

[heuristics]

boys boys boys boys....
just consider this... post stats are like penises.... no one really cares 'bout the number, (size), OK??? Its what you say (read performance) that REALLY counts, OK?

[murray]

uh oh. :shock:

[Tezza]

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