Major erosion problem – do you have any spare seeds?

[4G's]

Hi,
I have major erosion issue and need at least 1000 tree seed/seedlings.

I am chasing:
Leucaena Leucocephala
Albizia Lophantha
Albizia lebbek (sirus tree)
Acacia Saligna
Casurina Equisetifotia
Leucaena Shannoni
Weeping willow - salix baylonica
Cricket bat willow - salaxalba coerulea
Populus alba (white poplar)
populus nigra
Or any other cuttings or seeds that can help stabilize soil and fight erosion. Happy to pay for postage.

Please PM me if you can help. Thanks in advance.

[Pakanohida]

Hi,
I have major erosion issue and need at least 1000 tree seed/seedlings.

I am chasing:
Leucaena Leucocephala
Albizia Lophantha
Albizia lebbek (sirus tree)
Acacia Saligna
Casurina Equisetifotia
Leucaena Shannoni
Weeping willow - salix baylonica
Cricket bat willow - salaxalba coerulea
Populus alba (white poplar)
populus nigra
Or any other cuttings or seeds that can help stabilize soil and fight erosion. Happy to pay for postage.

Please PM me if you can help. Thanks in advance.

If you have an erosion problem the above seeds won't help you. The trees will take a long time to grow and hold down the soil. You need to include things like Lupine, and Pampas Grass to start holding the soil while the trees take root.

You need some perennials with a mixture of root types.

[S.O.P]

Leucaena and Albizia seed will be maturing soon. There's some Leucaena up the road from my house, not sure of the type.

Have you considered vetiver? Vetiver Soil Erosion Control (http://www.vetiver.org/g/soil_erosion.htm). Vetiver Plant Suppliers (http://www.vetiver.org/g/plant_suppliers.htm).
Dr. Paul Truong
Principal Consultant VETICON CONSULTING Pty Ltd.

Contact: Email p.truong@veticon.com.au
International Tel: +617 3378 3174
Fax: +617 3378 3187
Australian Tel: (07) 3378 3174 and
Fax: (07) 3378 3187
Postal: 23 KIMBA Street, Chapel Hill 4069,
Brisbane, Queensland, AUSTRALIA.

Or you could get slips off someone if they are offering. You may need thousands though.

[4G's]

No, I hadn't heard about the veticon erosion solution. Thanks for letting me know. I will look into it.

Regarding the Leucaena and Albizia, yes please. I am happy to wait and pay for postage.

What do you mean about slips? What are they?

[pebble]

If you have willow locally you should be able to propagate from cuttings in water, or even just put them straight into the ground if you have irrigation.

[S.O.P]

What do you mean about slips? What are they?
Slips are a type of propagation method for vetiver.

For example, and I did this on Monday, you dig into a chunk of vetiver, then tear it apart with your hands, and end up with single pieces of grass with some roots attached. That's a slip. Then you pot it up.

I did 60 and that took long enough. If you look into vetiver propagation, there seems to be other ways to do it which don't involve physical labour. If you had 2 people working at it, lots of pots and potting mix, you could probably crank out several hundred a day if you had enough propagation material.

[S.O.P]

http://i.imgur.com/ytHxJl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/iXW5Fl.jpg


The clump and the slips. Edit: The clump is about, guessing, a 1/10, maybe a 1/15th of the clump it came from.

[4G's]

Thanks S.O.P.

Anyone know where I can get a clump of Vetiver from - in brisbane?
I know I can buy seedlings from Dr Paul -but I need quite alot of these...

I have many large erosion issues.
There is one coming downhill from my neighbour. The drop is about 10m - runs about 50m long and is about 3m wide....
and there are more....

Any additional info/advice for free/cheap solutions - will be muchly appreciated.

[S.O.P]

Well, I could recommend the individual I got these from. Quite a lovely fellow that lives in Narangba. I've exchanged things so I can take things from his garden though he would probably offer his excess in respect of permaculture principles.

I've damaged one of his clumps, and have 60 slips. I would offer some of mine but you would be better off grabbing a large chunk, rushing it home and splitting there or onsite if you bring potting mix.

With your problems, especially the large ones, what does an expert say? Even a Google expert? Will the plants be established in time? Seems like a lot of water must be moving through there.

It's not for me to offer his grass to you, check out www.biochar.net and contact him with an exchange of goods or services.

[S.O.P]

5 day growth from the clump pictured above:

http://i.imgur.com/XzJ54l.jpg (http://imgur.com/XzJ54)

[4G's]

Thanks all for your post and ideas.
If anyone has any more spare trees seeds that are great for erosion/soil stability, please let me know. I have room for many more.
thanks

[andrew curr]

This may require some innovative and creative dealings with your neigbhours but generally this is the only way of dealing with an entropy loss in the system! I guess you can see lots of water there now?
will send more seeds soon
lomandra is the native equivilant of vetiver with a bush tucker yield8) ,ive got heaps!
my vetiver planted in nov is struggling perhaps it doesnt like comfrey?

[eco4560]

Which bit of lomandra is edible? I knew you could use it in basket construction, but I didn't know it was a food.

[annette]

I didn't know lomandra worked like vertiver! I have a few erosion probs too. I also didn't know you could eat it.

[S.O.P]

You eat the white part of the stalk. I've eaten mine at home. Let's just say, only if you are starving.

Lomandra is a great soil stabiliser, but there is no way it grows as fast as vetiver.

[andrew curr]

Lomandra Longifolia has a spiky seed stalk that you heat over a naked flame to burn off the spikes and modify the starches of the quite large seeds which make ok bush tucker (i presume low GI)

[S.O.P]

Interesting. Well then, 2 parts are edible.

What about Lomandra hystrix? Same deal?

[permasculptor]

my place is a drain but that doesn't stop me digging it up every year. if you have serious erosion then you need serious weeds IMO
http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/4790_18781.htm
http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/4790_7355.htm
The idea is to transition away from these towards grasses.

[4G's]

Andrew, for sure. More than happy to give Lomandra a go. (especially as its a native and bush tucker.)
Yes, have spoken to our neighbour where some of the erosion starts and he is committed also to solving the issue. I guess we need a plan - hence all the plants.
I have put in the mail some seeds and another reply paid envelope. (to fill with more goodies) :-)
Thanks again for all your advice and help.

[andrew curr]

Thats excellent you shall be a role model for the darling downs will send more seeds!
keep your eyes peeled for bunya nuts i got some in Grafton last week (doing master tree growers course with Rowen Ried ,a hero of mine)Gvt dpts are agreat place to steal seeds from,so im hoping to get more stuff from ag station today.
dunno bout the hystrix i know the xanthorea flowers can have a severe alkoliod at times so proceed with caution when eating bush tucker

[eco4560]

Now I have to agree with the DPI about the Singapore Daisy - I have an extreme aversion to the stuff. I have pulled out SO much from my place and still haven't won the war. But White ginger / hedychium??? I have it planted by my back deck - pretty and smells good! Which makes me think that maybe I should be trying to propagate it.... Some by the frog pond would be good....

[permasculptor]

Both those plants are extremely invasive and need effective containment .But they do stop erosion in my conditions and are fast to establish.
I wouldn't Eco It will take over if it has constant water and I know you are adverse to digging .

[eco4560]

Ooo yeah. No digging.:n: I'll leave it where it is.

[4G's]

I don't think I will plant either of those. I really don't like to dig stuff out. :-)
I also saw that honey locust is a weed as well. :-(
What else can I find my native bees in the middle of winter?

[brad_kl]

Still looking for Leucaena Leucocephala??

I have it growing between two fences in my unit complex. At first i thought it was a weed, then I researched to learn more about it which lead me to this forum.
There are a few of them including an oldish tree which has been cut back year after year because it's growing in an inconvenient place.

It has HEAPS of seed pods. Let me know if you'd like some...

[4G's]

Still looking for Leucaena Leucocephala??

I have it growing between two fences in my unit complex. At first i thought it was a weed, then I researched to learn more about it which lead me to this forum.
There are a few of them including an oldish tree which has been cut back year after year because it's growing in an inconvenient place.

It has HEAPS of seed pods. Let me know if you'd like some...

Hi ya,
For sure. I am happy to take any nitrogen fixing plants.
PM me your address and I will send you a reply envelope.

Thank you,
Rose

[andrew curr]

any good places for sale up that way
for a mate//8)

[4G's]

for you?
don't know. best is to check out realestate.com or elders.
We are still based in brisbane :-(

[andrew curr]

he is a property valuer by trade and wishes to comtinue in that game as well as being the country laird:rofl:

[4G's]

nice...
btw: did you end up getting my second lot of seeds?

[andrew curr]

yes thanks
shall post yours today