Sharing is caring.

[Fernando Pessoa]

Greetings Humus Beans,
Lettuce be happy and give peas a chance.
http://files.uniteddiversity.com/Permaculture/
Love Fernando:bow:

[sun burn]

heee heee heee

[macey]

:y:

[purplepear]

That is important - beyond measure. Thank you. But will I ever get to peruse it all? I'll see you in a year or so.

[ecodharmamark]

G'day FP

Thanks for the link. I have saved the site entry for future reference.

Whilst having a look around the site I happened across Email to Toby Hemenway re: Piracy (http://uniteddiversity.com/email-to-toby-hemenway-re-piracy/). I found this a fascinating read on the subject of 'free culture', and more specifically, copyright. The thread also includes correspondence from another individual who will be very familiar to we permies that have been around for a while. Anyway, read it yourselves, and draw your own conclusions.

From my own perspective - that is living the life of a communitarian (http://www.communalism.net/) - I have taken the 'sharing is caring' ethic to heart, and as such I stridently advocate for 'free culture'. Indeed, when I start publishing my own work (I have some papers that I have co-authored due for publication later this year, and I am currently working on a book chapter as part of a compilation that will probably not get onto the shelves until 2013) I would like to think that it will be freely available for all and sundry to read - eventually. Of course, the publishers might have other thoughts about this. However, if I do have to relinquish all rights of ownership in order to get my work out and into the 'mainstream', then so be it. Eventually, all work becomes freely available online anyway, and once Genie is out of her bottle, it is pretty hard to get her back in again.

Cheerio, Markos

[mischief]

I can understand the point of the Authors though, it is afterall the way they make their living.
Imagine if someone just walked into a shop you owned or worked in and just helped themselves to what ever they wanted.

Somehow information is seen as belonging to everybody and to some degree it should belong to everyone, but everything has a price and there should also be the willingness to pay that price.
Books arent that expensive and are well within the price range of most people especially if you really want it.

It would be a different story if books were priced out of reach and only available to afew.
The it would be a free for all as far as I am concerned.

[pebble]

There are many people who can't afford to buy books! This is the great unmet challenge for permaculture. How to engage the working and underclasses.

[INNOVERTS]

Great.in our place we usually have bull fighting party which is attended by great men like u.next time i will invite u.

[Fernando Pessoa]

I was once at a bull fighting party in Western Sumatra,what a wonderful time I had.It is especially exciting when the victorious bull,once it has established dominance over it's rival chases the vanquished pell mell through the crowd of screaming gamblers.
I will soon as time permits scan my entire collection of of Permaculture International Journals and release them to the world,God save my soul for this poisonousness act of rebellion.
All you would be pirates can donate some cash to the charity of your choice if you feel bad about intellectual property.
My opinion is that when your dead as in Fukuoka and if your rich as in Mollison then you won't mind if the huddled masses read your work and do something positive with it.
Just an opinion of course,if you don't like it,I will probably just bait you into an argument for arguments sake,even if I think you are correct.
Best wishes Fernando

[purplepear]

Just an opinion of course,if you don't like it,I will probably just bait you into an argument for arguments sake,even if I think you are correct.

Troll

[Toose]

Greetings Humus Beans,
Lettuce be happy and give peas a chance.
http://files.uniteddiversity.com/Permaculture/
Love Fernando:bow:

Mate I appreciate what you asking for but the link you have given is not working for me..
Kindly check it yourself and then repost it because I think it is completely dead or admin has blocked it...

[Fernando Pessoa]

Seems strange toose,working my end.
Best wishes Fernando
p.s I am about to released the permaculture journal stay tuned.

[Pakanohida]

Works for me and oh my... THANK YOU!

[adrians]

did anyone get a copy of "gardeninng when it counts" before it was taken down, I want to make a breif study of it, alternatively can someone give me a run-down of the book (a review?) so that I can consider whether I might one day be able to buy it.

[Pakanohida]

did anyone get a copy of "gardeninng when it counts" before it was taken down, I want to make a breif study of it, alternatively can someone give me a run-down of the book (a review?) so that I can consider whether I might one day be able to buy it.

The link still works mate, I will read it tonight & tomorrow and let you know soon.

[Pakanohida]

well I stand corrected, that book is gone, but others are still up.

[purecajn]

just downloaded it. March 25, 2011 Must be a bug. try a different web browser

[adrians]

nope, you didn't I tried it when the original post was made plus today (also 25th march)
open it what you downloaded was this :

"Looking for a copy of Gardening When it
Counts – Growing Food in Hard Times?
Unfortunately this wonderful book is no
longer available at this location.
If you can afford to buy a hard copy of the
book, I strongly recommend you do so, its a
great book! (and in the words of the author:
“this book is my book and I am making some
money from selling it and I can use those
bucks”)
If not, like all digital content that exists, many
other copies of the file that was previously
available at this location are available
elsewhere.
So if you really want to get your hands on
Gardening When it Counts – Growing
Food in Hard Times then just use bittorrent
to download a copy from others who still
have the file.
For the full background on why this file is no
longer available at this location click here"

[purecajn]

Dooh! Confirmed. When I opened said download I was greeted with a note saying to download it via bit torrent. My bad for not verifying my download. As the old saying goes; "Open mouth, insert foot."

[Michaelangelica]

I am not sure that giving away or downloading free books on line will end well.
Authors have to eat too. How do we encourage them to write good stuff?
To write a good book could take years and involves many other people like editors and proof-readers to make sure the information is easy to read and correct.

[purecajn]

Tis a shame people are moving from a labor of love attitude into a labor of profit. I personally feel that all knowledge should be made available to anyone who seeks it. Money should never be a factor in hindering/stopping another's intellectual growth. I can understand the rarity of an item making its value rise, but information? Should it only be for those whom can afford it? I can even understand having to charge for compensation, but there should be a predetermined amount of time allowed for this in which after the info becomes free too all.

[Pakanohida]

I am not sure that giving away or downloading free books on line will end well.
Authors have to eat too. How do we encourage them to write good stuff?
To write a good book could take years and involves many other people like editors and proof-readers to make sure the information is easy to read and correct.

Then how do you help the people who need it most? Poverty is a cancer on human society & it is my opinion that Permaculture and the knowledge there of is the cure. However, that's just my 2 cents for what it is worth.

[pebble]

Tis a shame people are moving from a labor of love attitude into a labor of profit..

Can we come and help ourselves to your vege patch? ;-)

[PermaGuinea]

Can we come and help ourselves to your vege patch? ;-)

No, but we would not begrudge you the seeds to start your own patch. ;-)

[purecajn]

Actually your more than welcome to. I'll have more than enough potatoes this year and you can have a bag of fresh peanuts as well. As for the seeds.... dunno if it'll get to you. Tried to mail fig cuttings to someone in auzzie land and customs didn't seem to like it to much. Who knows, it may be easier with seeds. Maybe I can elmers glue them to a piece of paper and make a picture so customs thinks they are just a child's craft project for their relative.